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Re: India has banned disposable plastic in Delhi

#61

Not a huge fan of outright bans, and think this is probably the wrong priority for India to focus on. (I understand this is just Delhi) Air pollution is huge right now. And sad to say, people pooping in streets and rivers is still a major problem. To me, plastic remnants are a very minor issue in comparison.

What will be the effect in air pollution when burning plastic garbage is replaced with things like paper garbage and the poor return their glass bottles because it gives them $$$?

Re: India has banned disposable plastic in Delhi

#62

What are they going to replace plastic with ? Can you invent a kind of material that is as capable as plastic but has zero negative effects on the environment ?

Wash and reuse steel cutlery? (I know people who carry little tins with forks, spoons and chopsticks they can assemble and reuse). Seattle has a plastic bag ban and you can use paper bags or just bring you own reusable bags. Bottled water in developed nations is typically less regulated (and has a lower quality) than tap water. This doesn't apply to India of course, but maybe this will force Delhi to seriously fix th…

I just eat with my bare hands.

Re: India has banned disposable plastic in Delhi

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps a new marketing campaign would be useful.

How about something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlFD0Zyl_f0

This is the classic of the genre:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGu4AwL5Kho

Re: India has banned disposable plastic in Delhi

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post #61

Not a huge fan of outright bans, and think this is probably the wrong priority for India to focus on. (I understand this is just Delhi) Air pollution is huge right now. And sad to say, people pooping in streets and rivers is still a major problem. To me, plastic remnants are a very minor issue in comparison.

What will be the effect in air pollution when burning plastic garbage is replaced with things like paper garbage and the poor return their glass bottles because it gives them $$$?

Cans are actually more energy efficient to produce and recycle.

Re: India has banned disposable plastic in Delhi

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post #29

I don't understand how we can build self-driving cars, send people to the moon, and create advanced facial recognition software, but can't build technology that can separate plastic bags?

Recognizing a plastic bag is tech on par with two of the techs you list (and arguably beyond sending a man to the moon.) Making a robot that can recognize plastic bags and manipulate them is harder. And applying that level of expertise to a public works problem in a capitalist society is even harder. (In response to the obvious counterargument; the configuration space of "a plastic bag mixed in with a bunch of random…

Oh, you can probably make it work. The question is: can you make it work cheap enough? Sending people to the moon wasn't cheap..

Re: India has banned disposable plastic in Delhi

#66

What are they going to replace plastic with ? Can you invent a kind of material that is as capable as plastic but has zero negative effects on the environment ?

We lived without plastic for a long time. There are many different things that can replace it depending on the product. For example, we had glass bottles for a very long time and we washed them and reused them. You can use reusable bags at the store. Wash metal silverware.

I'm sure plastic will always have to be used for certain things, but if we can limit the amount that's great.

Re: India has banned disposable plastic in Delhi

#67

Not a huge fan of outright bans, and think this is probably the wrong priority for India to focus on. (I understand this is just Delhi) Air pollution is huge right now. And sad to say, people pooping in streets and rivers is still a major problem. To me, plastic remnants are a very minor issue in comparison.

This feels like a piece of "what-about-ism". Certainly there are other environmental issues facing India -- but that doesn't mean that this one isn't worth dealing with either.

Re: India has banned disposable plastic in Delhi

#68

Not a huge fan of outright bans, and think this is probably the wrong priority for India to focus on. (I understand this is just Delhi) Air pollution is huge right now. And sad to say, people pooping in streets and rivers is still a major problem. To me, plastic remnants are a very minor issue in comparison.

Even if you poop in your fancy bungalow toilet, it does end up in the rivers, along with detergent and toxic toilet cleaners. Banning disposable plastic and non biodegradable detergents would go a great way in letting microbes and plants do their job in cleaning up the environment. With plastics not clogging up the rivers and chemicals not killing all river life, the rivers would definitely run much cleaner. This mov…

> along with detergent and toxic toilet cleaners.

don't forget corpses

http://www.planetcustodian.com/2015/10/19/8134/over-50-scary...

Re: India has banned disposable plastic in Delhi

#69

Banning it is one thing, we'll see if they can actually enforce it.

If Rwanda can enforce it, I don't see why Delhi can't. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/15/rwanda...

Rwanda is a pint-sized dictatorship governed with an iron first. Delhi is a howling cesspit of chaos.

In addition to the obvious enforcement problems in Delhi itself, Delhi is only a small part of the National Capital Region, meaning tons of plastic will flow in from Haryana and UP even if Delhi does manage to clean up its act.

Re: India has banned disposable plastic in Delhi

#70
I wish that they could find a way to do this in the Islamabad/Rawalpindi area. Due to a lack of budget and government coordination for large scale trash pick up, nearly every stream and ravine in the area is the designated trash dumping grounds. It's thoroughly littered with plastic shopping bags and plastic bottles. It won't solve the problem of people throwing trash on nearly any available piece of unclaimed or unusable land, but at least it'll be paper based or biodegradable.
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