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Re: Amazon Chime

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Post by jhoechtl »

pmontra wrote: post #149
sigsergv wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Old client will be turned off in a month or so.

That would be a big problem. Any link to that announcement? Edit: never mind, I googled it https://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Skype-for-Linux-End-of-... (I should have googled first, asked second) It's a problem because it seems that the new client is far from being fully functional. Another update: The Linux client v4.3 seems to be safe. In a post on page 2 of that thread the community manager states > At this tim…

> That would be a big problem. Any link to that announcement?

No problem. I am using the new Alpha Client since three months and it is very stable and usable. The only major missing feature are video conference calls with more but one opposite, but that is actively being worked on. Looks like MS is heading for feature parity with the Windows client.

Re: Amazon Chime

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Post by matco11 »

psybin wrote: post #47
ryanSrich wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right in that 99% of them are complete garbage. However I was pleasantly surprised when my company switched to Zoom[1]. A company I had never heard of before. In terms of call quality I've never experienced anything better. Beyond that their mobile experience is almost better in terms of raw features than their desktop app (which is still very good in its own right). 1.) https://www.crunchbase.com/organization…

Zoom is consistently garbage for us. The latency is high, the audio quality is low, and the apps have a really terrible user experience.

We use uberconference (nothing to do with Uber!) in North America and Europe (multiple countries) and it works like a charm.

Re: Amazon Chime

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Post by amelius »

krashidov wrote: post #17

Enterprise conferencing software is so bad and so expensive I'm astonished it took this long for a decent competitor to come in. I'm really surprised Google didn't go all in with making Hangouts a decent competitor. I have a feeling this will make a lot of money.

> I'm really surprised Google didn't go all in with making Hangouts a decent competitor. I have a feeling this will make a lot of money.

I guess video conferencing is about to get really easy to implement over WebRTC.

So I'm guessing there will be an explosion of competitors soon.

Re: Amazon Chime

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Post by TorKlingberg »

ultimoo wrote: post #2

I liked the part about Chime calling you at the scheduled start of meeting. So simple yet I had never thought of this since my org uses WebEx. With a smart phone that would pretty well via a push notification or an actual call, but not sure how that would work when you want a join a meeting from a physical meeting room with its own AV system. I'm sure there is a way to get that set up.

> not sure how that would work when you want a join a meeting from a physical meeting room with its own AV system. I'm sure there is a way to get that set up.

As someone who works in video conferencing, this is often very broken. The are all kinds of compatibility issues and crappy UX. One of our core selling points is getting room systems into online meetings.

Re: Amazon Chime

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Post by arjie »

krashidov wrote: post #17

Enterprise conferencing software is so bad and so expensive I'm astonished it took this long for a decent competitor to come in. I'm really surprised Google didn't go all in with making Hangouts a decent competitor. I have a feeling this will make a lot of money.

Everyone has tried. If you're in SF and a BART user you will have seen at least three different ones being advertised. I believe the BlueJeans ones are still up.

BlueJeans is pretty good.

Re: Amazon Chime

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Post by macspoofing »

ultimoo wrote: post #2

I liked the part about Chime calling you at the scheduled start of meeting. So simple yet I had never thought of this since my org uses WebEx. With a smart phone that would pretty well via a push notification or an actual call, but not sure how that would work when you want a join a meeting from a physical meeting room with its own AV system. I'm sure there is a way to get that set up.

>So simple yet I had never thought of this since my org uses WebEx.

WebEx has (sort of) that capability. There is an option for it to call you when you join a meeting.

Re: Amazon Chime

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Post by [deleted] »

colmmacc wrote: post #156
benevol wrote: post #101

> Amazon Chime is a communications service that transforms online meetings with a secure, easy-to-use application that you can trust. - Amazon, PRISM partner

"Amazon never participated in the NSA’s PRISM program." - Stephen Schmidt, CISO @ AWS https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/security/privacy-and-data-secur... (Full disclosure: I work on AWS}.

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Re: Amazon Chime

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Post by candiodari »

nym wrote: post #152
nl wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of the major tech companies have been on board for a long time (and that was years ago). I have read the Snowden leaks. This is one of those times when details matter, and in those details you are wrong . I wrote this previously[1] about Apple, but it applies here too: The problem is that PRISM has conflated two separate things, and it is unclear how much of that conflation occurred at the NSA and how much outsid…

I was under the impression that Google gave bulk access to the NSA, and the NSA wiretapped them regardless. I don't have a source to substantiate that claim though.

It doesn't even matter at all.

The US demands - through law - that any company, US and doing business in the US, give access to all it's user data upon simple subpaena by a secret court without notification to anyone, in a situation that can last for years. They're not even allowed to let you delete your data. There is no justification needed and most users are never informed this has happened, not even in the future. If you're a US citizen the time limit is measured in years (and can be extended by said secret court), if you're not a US citizen (or merely suspected not to be one), there is no time limit.

Doing "just" this to their users is what is understood in this discussion under the misnomer "not cooperating" with US spying. One can only assume that the OP has a funny sense of humor.

Given that this is noncooperation, why are we discussing who is cooperating and who is not ? This is WAY over the line, and of course means that no foreign company of any size should trust ANY US company with any amount of data.

And, frankly, it means that given the slightest disagreement in court, you should assume that all your data is public. Famously this facebook/instagram/whatsapp private messages in divorce cases, but not just that. Outlook messages of non-US citizens being picked apart by competitors because of a small non-payment vs non-delivery civil case in a non-US court has happened.

Note that the US government is famous for exploiting private sector relationships for spying and the reverse (exploiting government spying to give advantages to favored US companies).

So you should assume the worst and immediately implement basic security mechanisms (that are standard procedure at most companies now):

1) anything sent to you for any reason gets automatically deleted, especially email, unless specifically and individually prevented

2) any backup system is encrypted and the keys are subject to (1).

3) NOTHING can be put on any cloud system, for any reason without (1) implemented, and you should refuse to cooperate with external parties that insist on such a system.]

4) more strict measures are needed for director level and upward (note: legal definition of director, not just because it's used in company directories). Protocols negotiated beforehand dictate what can only be discussed over secure channels. First item on that list: anything related to any one specific employee.

Re: Amazon Chime

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Post by StavrosK »

[deleted] wrote: post #167
colmmacc wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Amazon never participated in the NSA’s PRISM program." - Stephen Schmidt, CISO @ AWS https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/security/privacy-and-data-secur... (Full disclosure: I work on AWS}.

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He wouldn't voluntarily make a comment lying about it either.

Re: Amazon Chime

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Post by Zach_the_Lizard »

colmmacc wrote: post #156
benevol wrote: post #101

> Amazon Chime is a communications service that transforms online meetings with a secure, easy-to-use application that you can trust. - Amazon, PRISM partner

"Amazon never participated in the NSA’s PRISM program." - Stephen Schmidt, CISO @ AWS https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/security/privacy-and-data-secur... (Full disclosure: I work on AWS}.

And what do all the PRISM documents say?

You don't admit this as it's bad for business.

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