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A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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post #392

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>Why didn't Obama do anything about it? Responding to the above, Obama did do something: he presided over the first extrajudicial assassination of a US citizen by drone strike.

One that pledged allegiance to a foreign "state" that engages in violence? I fail to see the problem

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Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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I think you are talking about two different groups. As in: will three letter agency type people have the incentive and the desire to expand their capabilities, independent of xenophobia and racism? Yes, absolutely. Do xenophobia and racism play a significant part on why large swats of the population are going along with this? Also, yes. A U.S. where most Americans don't fear foreigners from any part of the world is o…

But this is also ignoring that there are very real reasons this is happening. Within the last couple of years we had the Bataclan, Nice, Orlando, etc, all directly from Islamic terror. Does that mean Muslims should be discriminated against? Obviously not. However, this is a very blunt way of people trying to protect themselves (even if it's not effective or overreaching). To wave that off as "racism" isn't really fai…

> Orlando

Wikipedia: "Mateen was born Omar Mir Seddique[6] on November 16, 1986,[7] in New Hyde Park, New York, to Afghan parents"

(Similarly, the Bataclan attack was carried out by French/Belgian nationals)

So he was a US-born US national. Not an immigrant or green card holder.

> Does that mean Muslims should be discriminated against? Obviously not.

Yes! Exactly!

> To wave that off as "racism" isn't really fair

.. what? It's discrimination against a group of people by religion-inferred-from-ethnic-origin-or-skin-colour. That's exactly what racism is. It's not "waving it off" at all.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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post #95

Nobody has mentioned the "Scroogled" short story yet? I really hope this is not the future that expects us. http://www.crimeflare.com/doctorow.html

One of the best I have ever read. Does anyone now where to find more stuff like this?

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Their point about how other countries will take the US's stance as a cue is somewhat scary. If you try and cross any border it will be relinquishing access to all accounts. I'm assuming email also comes along with 'social media', since communication is by its definition social. So how do you protect yourself? I think just going with "Don't have any social media" isn't a good answer because the relationship that child…

Social media is a made word and concept to talk about online services designed to capture and collect and exploit private personal data that the users willingly give them, the "if you're not paying for it, then you're the product being sold". so email does not fall into this IMHO.

Not having social media account is the obvious answer, there is little that this will be implemented ever but having a multiple password account could be a workaround. a master password give access to all while another you could give to border guard would transparently limit the access to a sanitized version of the account. The other obvious answer to force the government and lawmakers to remove this policy.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Just don't give them any passwords or unlock anything if you are a US citizen. Let them try to detain a US citizen indefinitely for it.

Exactly. It's your constitutional right as a US citizen to tell any Law Enforcement agent to go fuck themselves. 1. They need a warrant to search your phone if you don't voluntary give them access. 2. Even if they have a warrant, you can plead 5th and just not give them the pin. The American way is all about not trusting the government, believing in conspiracy theories, and stocking up on ammo.

That not applicable at the US borders.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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You are correct that you pretty much have no rights at the border. The moment you step outside the US, you can be killed by US a drone strike, or the CPB agent can simply shoot you if they wish. It's a broken hole in our system that needs to change, but don't expect any change for at least 2-4 years.

The CPB agent can just shoot you if he wishes? That's some seriously ridiculous hyperbole. No American is getting shot by border agents on a whim.

It's not happening now, but it would still be legal.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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post #10

Their point about how other countries will take the US's stance as a cue is somewhat scary. If you try and cross any border it will be relinquishing access to all accounts. I'm assuming email also comes along with 'social media', since communication is by its definition social. So how do you protect yourself? I think just going with "Don't have any social media" isn't a good answer because the relationship that child…

Within Europe (ps: as a European citizen) you can go anywhere with a personal identification card (no passport) and there are no border controls (when walking or driving). There isn't even a border, just a sign: welcome to $country (ps: and maybe local driving instructions). Say what you will about the EU, but this has been a great achievement. I can go through airport security between two EU countries and security w…

I've flown several times across European borders with no ID check ever. All I needed was the online ticket number. And this was in the last few years.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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One that pledged allegiance to a foreign "state" that engages in violence? I fail to see the problem

The fifth amendment is of course broad, but is it so broad that the president signing a piece of paper can be considered due process? Even if everyone has perfect intentions (doubtful), you need checks and balances to prevent human error.

I'm sure the area where US laws apply can be discussed to greater lengths, but they're not applicable outside of the (geographical) US, regardless if you're a citizen or not. Even if the subject of the action is an US citizen. (except for the taxation of non-resident citizens, which is a whole can of worms I'm sure)

This is for better or worse.

Extra-judicial killings happen a lot. In the case of self-defense for example. "Cop thought the suspect had a gun" is a mistake that happens often, but it can be legitimate as well.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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all obama had to do was not renew bush's executive orders. thats it. he just had to do NOTHING. so yes, as far as privacy is concerned, both parties are equally shit.

That's what he did with troop withdrawals from Iraq - simply stick to the agreement Bush signed. And yet everyone on the right seems to think that by doing so he gave birth to ISIS. Ignoring these political realities is facile, even if you aim to overhaul the whole political system.

no. i'm not going to let you equate the complexities of withdrawing military assets from an active conflict with NOT signing a piece of paper.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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For all of you guys recommending using fake accounts, do remember that right before christmas, Obama administration signed in new rules[1], giving NSA leeway to share their collected data with 16 other agencies, including DHS, which CBP falls under. So you may get caught if you try to pull these shenanigans off. US agencies are no strangers to mission creep when it come's to sharing data, as seen recently in this art…

Worth noting that there are many restrictions with regards to raw SIGINT sharing by NSA. And most definitely would not be a concern for US citizens.

This CBP issue is absolutely concerning, but it may not be good to worry people further with incorrect information.

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