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Replacing butter with vegetable oils does not cut heart disease risk (2016)

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Re: Replacing butter with vegetable oils does not cut heart disease risk (2016)

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Post by oxide »

fulafel wrote: post #29
jelliclesfarm wrote: post #18

There is nothing wrong with butter. Oils can become rancid. Clarified butter or ghee is even better as they have longer shelf life.

It's an animal product with the obvious ethics problems and cow methane boosting the co2 footprint.

However, it's delicious, comes in stick form, doesn't separate or spoil when I leave it out in a dish at room temperature, and can keep that way long enough for it to be used entirely.

No mediocre substitute holds up to real butter, cow farts and ethics be damned.

This is coming from someone who thought Country Crock was real butter until I was a teenager, because that's what my mother always bought.

I can't even put it in macaroni and cheese these days, let alone on my toast.

Even the expensive stuff like "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" is nearly repulsive compared to real butter IMO.

Re: Replacing butter with vegetable oils does not cut heart disease risk (2016)

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Post by MBlume »

fulafel wrote: post #29
jelliclesfarm wrote: post #18

There is nothing wrong with butter. Oils can become rancid. Clarified butter or ghee is even better as they have longer shelf life.

It's an animal product with the obvious ethics problems and cow methane boosting the co2 footprint.

Latter problem can be solved by feeding the cows tiny amounts of seaweed

Re: Replacing butter with vegetable oils does not cut heart disease risk (2016)

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Post by nmerouze »

Cholesterol isn't bad, it's in fact very important for the production of testosterone among other things. The problem comes from the inability to use it because the body isn't healthy. Polyunsaturated fats will produce bad byproducts when it breaks down and over time makes the body sick.

We crucially lack magnesium and potassium in our diet. There are tons of studies showing the benefits of magnesium against heart disease. And it's not just the heart, cholesterol can obstruct the liver and a sick liver will cause a whole lot of problems.

Re: Replacing butter with vegetable oils does not cut heart disease risk (2016)

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Post by abecedarius »

barney54 wrote: post #26
0xcde4c3db wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I know, that shift has only occurred in the past decade or so, after the FDA started requiring trans fat to be listed on the Nutrition Facts label. It might be too soon to look for the effects of that change on long-term risks for cardiovascular disease.

The sad thing is that the FDA first had to be convinced to allow trans fats to be listed. Later it required them to be labeled.

Also, FDA labeling allows "0g trans fat" for food with 0.5 g per serving, and listed serving sizes are often laughable, so I wonder. This article I just found claims "0.56% to 4.2% trans fats" in "soybean and canola oils found on store shelves in the U.S." (https://authoritynutrition.com/6-reasons-why-vegetable-oils-...) Dunno how much weight to give it; I try to avoid those oils anyway.

Re: Replacing butter with vegetable oils does not cut heart disease risk (2016)

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Post by nmerouze »

tluyben2 wrote: post #4

How about olive oil? The oils they name there already got a bad rap in the press here for not being very good for you. But olive oil persists. Also; you have to wonder about these tests... Anecdotal, but too many times I see people take cola light, a light sugar substitute for their tea and veg oil based butter with their 3000 kcal burger & fries & chocolate sunday. Also, the more I read up about it, I think stress i…

Stress makes you lost tons of vitamins and minerals. Eating whole foods as opposed to processed foods is important, but I agree reducing stress and exercising is more important.

Re: Replacing butter with vegetable oils does not cut heart disease risk (2016)

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Post by klodolph »

greglindahl wrote: post #17
teslabox wrote: post #3

I try to avoid eating vegetable oil. I understand that the polyunsaturated oils are preferentially stored to protect the body from these unstable oils. The Center for Science in the Public Interest needs to eat some crow.

The entire nutrition science industry needs to start reporting confidence levels associated with studies. Almost all nutritional advice is based on small studies. That's why you see them contradict each other on a frequent basis. You need a 5 sigma result to discover a new particle. Discovering new particles doesn't kill people.

Discovering new particles doesn't kill people? Not so sure… the history of atomic chemistry is littered with dead scientists.

Re: Replacing butter with vegetable oils does not cut heart disease risk (2016)

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Post by logibly »

fulafel wrote: post #29
jelliclesfarm wrote: post #18

There is nothing wrong with butter. Oils can become rancid. Clarified butter or ghee is even better as they have longer shelf life.

It's an animal product with the obvious ethics problems and cow methane boosting the co2 footprint.

Cutting down trees and harvesting crops indiscriminately also should have same "ethics problems" . Regarding cow methane boosting co2 footprint, do you mean cows don't deserve to be born ? Because if they deserve to live, then they deserve to poop! Using Coal or water resources is no better then using cow dung as gas/energy.

Re: Replacing butter with vegetable oils does not cut heart disease risk (2016)

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Post by jack9 »

klodolph wrote: post #36
greglindahl wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire nutrition science industry needs to start reporting confidence levels associated with studies. Almost all nutritional advice is based on small studies. That's why you see them contradict each other on a frequent basis. You need a 5 sigma result to discover a new particle. Discovering new particles doesn't kill people.

Discovering new particles doesn't kill people? Not so sure… the history of atomic chemistry is littered with dead scientists.

whoosh

Re: Replacing butter with vegetable oils does not cut heart disease risk (2016)

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Post by brotherAB »

greglindahl wrote: post #17
teslabox wrote: post #3

I try to avoid eating vegetable oil. I understand that the polyunsaturated oils are preferentially stored to protect the body from these unstable oils. The Center for Science in the Public Interest needs to eat some crow.

The entire nutrition science industry needs to start reporting confidence levels associated with studies. Almost all nutritional advice is based on small studies. That's why you see them contradict each other on a frequent basis. You need a 5 sigma result to discover a new particle. Discovering new particles doesn't kill people.

You are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack. Yet the only president talking about nutrition and GMO is Putin. Crazy based russians. https://www.rt.com/business/324605-russia-putin-healthy-food...

Re: Replacing butter with vegetable oils does not cut heart disease risk (2016)

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Post by grzm »

brotherAB wrote: post #39
greglindahl wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire nutrition science industry needs to start reporting confidence levels associated with studies. Almost all nutritional advice is based on small studies. That's why you see them contradict each other on a frequent basis. You need a 5 sigma result to discover a new particle. Discovering new particles doesn't kill people.

You are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack. Yet the only president talking about nutrition and GMO is Putin. Crazy based russians. https://www.rt.com/business/324605-russia-putin-healthy-food...

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