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A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Post by vegardx »

a3_nm wrote: post #254
skriticos2 wrote: post #207

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Within Europe (ps: as a European citizen) you can go anywhere with a personal identification card (no passport) and there are no border controls (when walking or driving). There isn't even a border, just a sign: welcome to $country (ps: and maybe local driving instructions). Say what you will about the EU, but this has been a great achievement. I can go through airport security between two EU countries and security w…

> there are no border controls (when walking or driving). In practice they may not always exist, but I think Schengen member states have the authority to perform border controls in all cases ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area#Border_checks does not talk about distinctions depending on the mode of entry). In the current political climate, even as a citizen of a Schengen country, I would not cross borders wi…

I understand that there are some overlapping rules and regulations between EU member states and states in the Schengen Area. But you don't have to go more than a year back, when the refugee crisis peaked, to find Norway enforcing full border control on all land and sea based borders. But not by air, probably because they knew most refugees would never be allowed to board a plane or afford the tickets.

This ended up in a huge mess, but as far as I know very few were actually turned away. Mostly people ended up being fined for not being able to provide a valid ID and let back in after a manual verification. There were some controversy around this, as citizens are not legally required to carry IDs.

Re: A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until he unlocked his phone

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Post by canttestthis »

caminante wrote: post #20

Here's the Customs and Border Patrol policy in question [0] (see page 31). The EFF has a nice write-up on this topic [1]. It sounds like there's a "border search exemption" that bypasses the Fourth Amendment. The rationale was to ensure duties were paid and screen for "bad guys," drugs, weapons, diseased fruit, etc. [0] https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/privacy... [1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/…

Apple needs to implement a way where you can set up 2 separate PINs. One for your regular stuff and another that logs you into a sort of dummy state, where things look real but really are not. Heck, I'd switch to Android if something like that existed.

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Post by DamnInteresting »

ajmurmann wrote: post #276
DamnInteresting wrote: post #253

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I really wish mobile device vendors would add support for multiple unlock modes. E.g.: * "Me mode" that unlocks everything. * "Kid mode" that only allows one's kid access to pre-approved apps and features. * A "lend to a stranger to make a call" mode that is a lot like the kid mode, but it also causes the phone to start broadcasting its GPS location frequently (and refuse to turn off [though it might fake it]) in cas…

That idea is so good. The ATM could also sound a silent alarm, just like some home alarms do. The phone could maybe even start recording all interactions and automatically submit to something like ACLU.

The silent alarm idea is excellent. Perhaps this could also trigger the machine to scan and store the serial numbers of the dispensed bills, so the bills themselves could become evidence of the crime.

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Post by hellofunk »

hackuser wrote: post #298
switch007 wrote: post #246

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Not to detract from your point but you're referring to the Schengen Zone specifically. There are EU countries opted out (UK) and non-EU countries participating (e.g. Switzerland, Norway and Iceland).

> There are EU countries opted out (UK) Not to nitpick, but the UK opted out of the EU entirely, not just the Schengen Zone.

Which is irrelevant to this topic. The UK still is in the EU and has never been in the Schengen Zone, which is the point here.

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Post by aioprisan »

manarth wrote: post #261
leakybit wrote: post #208

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Exactly. It's your constitutional right as a US citizen to tell any Law Enforcement agent to go fuck themselves. 1. They need a warrant to search your phone if you don't voluntary give them access. 2. Even if they have a warrant, you can plead 5th and just not give them the pin. The American way is all about not trusting the government, believing in conspiracy theories, and stocking up on ammo.

Even if they have a warrant, you can plead 5th and just not give them the pin. And then languish in jail for a year plus? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13629728

Not the same kind of case, since there was an issued warrant. This isn't the same type of case at all.

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Post by vegardx »

greensoap wrote: post #289
ams6110 wrote: post #275

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They do not need a warrant at the border.

Yup... there is even a case on this exact point. TLDR; drug smuggler crossed the board and went through customs. He didn't get searched. Then as he was leaving the customs area, on the U.S. side of customs, the police performed a warrant-less search. Prosecutor argued the search was legal because he was in the process of entering the country and citizens don't have a right against search upon entry to the U.S. The co…

Are you sure about this? Usually you can be stopped and searched quite far inland as long as they can prove that you recently crossed the border. This is often used to take smugglers.

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Post by anigbrowl »

masonic wrote: post #304
anigbrowl wrote: post #283

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Civil liberties advocates have been gently coddling people's feels for years now in hopes of persuading people of the existence of a problem. Personally I don't feel like there's time for that any more. Just last night I found that white nationalists are planning a 4 mile march from Oakland to Berkeley that's going to go right past my home in a few weeks. At their last big rally in sacramento last year, 10 people wer…

At their last big rally in sacramento last year, 10 people were stabbed, all by the neo-Nazi side. That's not how it was reported. There was no violent contact until "black bloc" rioters armed with clubs rushed the cordon.[0] There were two reported stab wounds that required a trip to hospital. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/26/white-nation...

You'd be better off relying on the local paper from which this article draws, since the reporter is most familiar with their own backyard. http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article86099332.html

Also, while free speech means the government (qua the police) shouldn't interfere with any group's liberty to express its ideas outside of certain very narrow contexts, members of the public are under no obligation to give people with whom they disagree a respectful hearing. Nazis aren't exactly known for becoming reasonable cooperators if their enemies would only sit down and have a cup of coffee together, are they? I'm having a hard timy buying into you considering that the self-declared Nazis may be the hapless victims here.

A really hard time. "Oh, I was just doing my Nazi thing, calling for the extermination of all those lesser races and social groups we disapprove of, when what should happen but some mean old anarchist got all up in my face and telling me how awful I am! I was just shaking in my jackboots so I had to stab him with this knife I just happened to bring with me." Won't someone please think of the poor, helpless Nazis?

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Post by nitrogen »

smsm42 wrote: post #274
popey456963 wrote: post #227

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Donald Trump is undoubtedly homophobic, I think he's just pointing out that for the country to be voting for him, to an extent a proportion of them must agree. And I disagree about you saying the EU just wishes to become the United States of Europe. In almost no sense does anyone give up their "sovereignty" by joining the EU. Every country still creates it's own laws, governs how it wishes to and has full control ove…

> Donald Trump is undoubtedly homophobic Not true. certainly not "undoubtedly". > for the country to be voting for him, to an extent a proportion of them must agree. Even less true. Even if Trump were homophobic - which is most likely not true - that does not mean somebody who voted for him supports him in that. Elections concern a wide array of issues, and people choosing between the two (or four, but let's not pret…

Maybe "xenophobic" was the word they wanted.
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