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The clock is ticking for Spotify

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Re: The clock is ticking for Spotify

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Post by dontreact »

tresante wrote: post #29

I'm a long time Spotify fan using it on everything from my Mac to our Shield TV and Echo. Music is a staple of my life and I regularly spend my working day listening to Spotify. Call me an optimist but I see a huge opportunity to capture additional $'s from less price as sensitive people like me. I'd happily hand over more money to the artists I actually like and listen to regularly but no platform gives me the means…

Yes, I'm willing to pay more for a streaming music service that gives more money to artists that I listen to more, but I have not seen such a service.

Re: The clock is ticking for Spotify

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Post by dontreact »

tresante wrote: post #29

I'm a long time Spotify fan using it on everything from my Mac to our Shield TV and Echo. Music is a staple of my life and I regularly spend my working day listening to Spotify. Call me an optimist but I see a huge opportunity to capture additional $'s from less price as sensitive people like me. I'd happily hand over more money to the artists I actually like and listen to regularly but no platform gives me the means…

Yes, I'm willing to pay more for a streaming music service that gives more money to artists that I listen to more, but I have not seen such a service.

Re: The clock is ticking for Spotify

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Post by [deleted] »

tresante wrote: post #29

I'm a long time Spotify fan using it on everything from my Mac to our Shield TV and Echo. Music is a staple of my life and I regularly spend my working day listening to Spotify. Call me an optimist but I see a huge opportunity to capture additional $'s from less price as sensitive people like me. I'd happily hand over more money to the artists I actually like and listen to regularly but no platform gives me the means…

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Re: The clock is ticking for Spotify

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Post by ng12 »

tmalsburg2 wrote: post #84

Spotify are aggressively exploiting artists and yet they are not making money. Not sustainable, and it's not really suprising. If someone offers you all the music of the world for 10 bucks that is just too good to be true. I closed my Spotify account because I didn't want to be complicit in the exploitation of artists. I'm now using Qobuz ($20/month) and hope that they are paying more fairly (couldn't find any number…

> Spotify are aggressively exploiting artists

Many of my favorite bands love Spotiy, going as far as making it the platform they pre-release music on and back-catalog out of print albums. Why? It's an engine for discovery unlike anything else. A lot of people were pirating music not because they were cheap but because it gets too expensive to drop $20 to figure out if you like an album. Spotify also rewards the right behavior -- if you make the kind of album I want to listen to over and over you get a bigger return. It also automatically notifies your fans of new releases and nearby concerts which puts more money in your pocket. It's a different model than the record labels but it's far from "aggressive exploitation".

Re: The clock is ticking for Spotify

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Post by Flow »

ivraatiems wrote: post #53
iamben wrote: post #3

I can't be the only one that has almost zero faith the music industry won't ruin Spotify? I'm sure it won't be deliberate, just a combination of stubbornness, greed and living in the past. Spotify and music is like a library and books. It's fantastic and accessible for listening and discovery. I'm hard pushed to find a friend that didn't use napster or limewire that's moved to Spotify - it's just easy, there and the…

The music industry doesn't need to ruin Spotify. It's ruining itself. Its support is abysmal, its apps are bug-riddled and get worse with every update, and it's consistently doing boneheaded "pivot" moves (like mandatory Facebook login a couple years back, "version 1.0" of the desktop app more recently), and so on. It's squandering the good faith and great library it has.

And adding playlists to your account without telling you. This was on a free account, but still, it felt like they had no integrity at all.

Re: The clock is ticking for Spotify

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Post by Twirrim »

hellopat wrote: post #74
ivraatiems wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The music industry doesn't need to ruin Spotify. It's ruining itself. Its support is abysmal, its apps are bug-riddled and get worse with every update, and it's consistently doing boneheaded "pivot" moves (like mandatory Facebook login a couple years back, "version 1.0" of the desktop app more recently), and so on. It's squandering the good faith and great library it has.

I have absolutely no issues with the mobile or desktop versions of the app.

Here's an example of something utterly ridiculous that they still haven't fixed several years after first reported to them: despite music having flags to classify it as "mature", you can't tell the client to filter out that music. They have the music flagged already, so it's not like they're being requested to tag all of the music in their archives.

Pandora, and pretty much every competitor in the field can.

Re: The clock is ticking for Spotify

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Post by delinka »

bogomipz wrote: post #48
delinka wrote: post #31

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With respect to accounting, you don't recoup your investment (where you purchased part of a company) by collecting licensing fees (which you'd have received anyway) from the same company.

Sure, I didn't mean in any kind of GAAP sense, just that the investment has already borne fruit is all.

But it hasn't. Until they sell. They didn't need to make the investment to get those licensing fees.

Re: The clock is ticking for Spotify

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Post by runeks »

pimeys wrote: post #44
patrick_haply wrote: post #13

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What I often find is that artists will have have everything on Spotify except their latest album, at least for a few months. Fair enough, they want people to buy their albums; it's just one area where I find Spotify consistently incomplete.

There are other big areas where it's seriously lacking content: 1) Modern contemporary electronic music, which is usually available vinyl only. 2) Classic albums in their original form. When there's a remaster, Spotify typically only has the remaster, original was either never there or will be removed when remaster is out. Now, when you start to invest to your sound system even a bit (not talking about 100k wires her…

Have you honestly done a blinded listening test, comparing 320 kbps Ogg Vorbis (Spotify Premium) to lossless, and concluded that there's a severe reduction in quality?

Audio compression is an old technology by now. Lossless CD audio is ~1200 kbps, and we're only compressing to something like 1/4th the original size. There really shouldn't be much room for error. Even completely lossless CD audio compression can still get to ~50%-ish of the original data rate.

Imagine if you had H.264 video at 50% the data rate of a completely lossless signal. That would be completely perfect.

And if you're listening on a speaker setup, your room will distort the sound orders of magnitude more than compressing an audio signal 4x will.

Re: The clock is ticking for Spotify

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Post by disantlor »

myfonj wrote: post #49
disantlor wrote: post #36

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yes, 1000% agree. i would pay an extra $10-20 a month, especially if there was some mechanism to select which receives the extra and showing who supports which artists, etc. basically some of the ideas from bandcamp

So … why don't you just support those artists at Bandamp? In fact that is exactly my current pattern: wen lazy, conveniently discover [1] and browse more famous artists at Spotify and purchase their albums at Bandcamp. Very few IMPoW "good" artists lack BC page. [1] "Discover" function at Spotify got really nice lately supposedly thanks to the last.fm integration (?). Last.fm used to be my favourite discovery page in…

i do! and my music is on bandcamp too. but i also want to support people on spotify (partly the convenience of spotify and partly just some artists are not on bandcamp).

that interesting/makes sense about last.fm integration, i have about 10 years worth of data on there and the discover recommendations are consistently great.

over the last year i've saved a 5-6 subset of the weekly discover suggestions into a super playlist, part also, part human. i'd love to proportion part of my monthly payment to those artists

Re: The clock is ticking for Spotify

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Post by lokedhs »

ldev wrote: post #66
lokedhs wrote: post #30

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That's mainly an Apple problem though. The integration with Android is very complete, and I don't think there are any features that Google Music gives you that Spotify doesn't. And that's a good thing given the fact that Google Music (like most Google services that are not free) is only available in the US and a handful of other countries.

>That's mainly an Apple problem though. And Google's/Spotify's problem is that they do not have any good or even decent phones.

I think that answer tells us more about you than the state of the mobile ecosystem.
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