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What is a "more social player" in this context? Somebody who does lots of networking and is good at hiring or is it related to social media like VK, FB, etc?

Yes, it's about networking and the ability to delegate. I've been struggle with it for years. Felt like if I entrusted some part of work to someone else, they wouldn't give it 100% of their attention. Then I realized that it's true most of the time, but the trick is it they don't have to in order to finish the task.

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Re: I used LAMP to make a SaaS app with $3700/month profit

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"Anyway, I always hated manual labor and decided to make a little tool to help me scrape the posts of my competitors and publish them to my group on a regular basis.” Other things you must hate: morality and ethics.

> I’d also removed the posts that were obviously copyrighted. I'm not a lawyer, but in American copyright law, anything published is assumed copyrighted by someone , though it may not be clear exactly who. I'm especially not an international copyright lawyer, so I can't say how typical that is. Point being, you'll get in legal trouble for doing this. You might win a lawsuit if what you are scraping is not copyrightab…

Same is true in Australia. Copyrights are not registered. You just automatically own the copyright to anything you write unless there's a specific reason not to.

You don't have to go register it, you don't have to put a copyright notice. You own the copyright as soon as you create it.

Re: I used LAMP to make a SaaS app with $3700/month profit

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This is very strong words and you're right. I welcome you to come over and fix this country. And the rest of the developing world, while you at it.

The issue here is not with your country but with your personal behavior. People in this thread are criticising you for actively contributing to the problem (building a tool for stealing stuff), and you're brushing it off, blaming it on your "market". Instead of warping your mind with a set of rationalizations that excuse your behavior, maybe try to accept the responsibility.

First, I accept the responsibility to some degree, and I'm open about it. Second, it's not "a tool for stealing stuff".

I just somewhat dislike people shouting moral slogans, that's all. Especially people that have little understanding of the ecosystem in general. Sorry.

Re: I used LAMP to make a SaaS app with $3700/month profit

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"Anyway, I always hated manual labor and decided to make a little tool to help me scrape the posts of my competitors and publish them to my group on a regular basis.” Other things you must hate: morality and ethics.

> I’d also removed the posts that were obviously copyrighted. I'm not a lawyer, but in American copyright law, anything published is assumed copyrighted by someone , though it may not be clear exactly who. I'm especially not an international copyright lawyer, so I can't say how typical that is. Point being, you'll get in legal trouble for doing this. You might win a lawsuit if what you are scraping is not copyrightab…

Because of the Berne Convention[1], that's how it works in the vast majority of the world.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention

Re: I used LAMP to make a SaaS app with $3700/month profit

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"Anyway, I always hated manual labor and decided to make a little tool to help me scrape the posts of my competitors and publish them to my group on a regular basis.” Other things you must hate: morality and ethics.

Good point.

I prefer to do at least something addressing the issue in the ecosystem that does absolutely nothing, though.

And I'm open about it.

Re: I used LAMP to make a SaaS app with $3700/month profit

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"Anyway, I always hated manual labor and decided to make a little tool to help me scrape the posts of my competitors and publish them to my group on a regular basis.” Other things you must hate: morality and ethics.

> I’d also removed the posts that were obviously copyrighted. I'm not a lawyer, but in American copyright law, anything published is assumed copyrighted by someone , though it may not be clear exactly who. I'm especially not an international copyright lawyer, so I can't say how typical that is. Point being, you'll get in legal trouble for doing this. You might win a lawsuit if what you are scraping is not copyrightab…

> it's generally good manners to ask someone before you copy their work, yes

This is what I do most of the time, if it's possible, given the environment the service operates in.

I encourage people to learn about it first, and only after that to jump into conclusions.

Re: I used LAMP to make a SaaS app with $3700/month profit

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"Anyway, I always hated manual labor and decided to make a little tool to help me scrape the posts of my competitors and publish them to my group on a regular basis.” Other things you must hate: morality and ethics.

> "Other things you must hate: morality and ethics."

I'm less impressed with your own ethics than those of the OP.

The OP made a tool that served a market niche in a country that isn't so wealthy and then shared the story here to help other makers. You've taken exception with one small piece of the story and expanded it to claim the poster "must hate morality and ethics".

While it's a bit of a rabbit hole to get into ethics of the copyright and IP regime of the US and allies, it's worth keeping in mind that even multiple US legal scholars have expressed concerns—from Jefferson (who wrote at length about IP before drafting US law) to Lessig now. It's certainly not so clear cut as to justify vilifying those who disagree.

This goes doubly so, considering the poster did this in a country that has only fairly recently caved to international pressure to "harmonize" its copyright enforcement. The OP's project was built on VK, where downloads of copyrighted videos and songs were offered by the platform itself until very recently.

Re: I used LAMP to make a SaaS app with $3700/month profit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue here is not with your country but with your personal behavior. People in this thread are criticising you for actively contributing to the problem (building a tool for stealing stuff), and you're brushing it off, blaming it on your "market". Instead of warping your mind with a set of rationalizations that excuse your behavior, maybe try to accept the responsibility.

First, I accept the responsibility to some degree, and I'm open about it. Second, it's not "a tool for stealing stuff". I just somewhat dislike people shouting moral slogans, that's all. Especially people that have little understanding of the ecosystem in general. Sorry.

You saw a niche and exploited it. That's a good thing.

Morality/ethics/blah blah is always based on local customs. As people were fine with doing this anyway, then there is no need to import/impose "American" morality.

Don't let any of these high-horse/armchair quarterbacks tell you any different.

Thanks for taking the time to write an article. Hope this doesn't introduce a bunch of competitors into your market!

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