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Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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You realize that people work on cruise ships and in sweat shops because that is literally the best opportunity they have? Boycotting their meager employment will hardly make things better for them.

Yeah, the reality we live in is a binary one where we must go along with exploitation of the poor, or we're killing them. Nothing else is possible.

Pretty much, yeah. Unless you want to find Mexico and DR some more export markets.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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"Financial planning", in the western sense of the phrase (saving currency, investing in stocks, mutual funds, life insurance, 401(k), and various other pieces of paper that require trust and courts to be worth anything) isn't actually a rational thing to do in emerging Asia (or, to the extent that it is now, that's very recent). We're talking about a country that was governed by a prolific kleptocrat (Ferdinand Marco…

Index funds, 401k and some stocks exist only in the USA. They don't exist in most of the western world (e.g. Europe). Please don't call that "western financial planning"

Europeans are much less likely to be retail investors, I'll buy.

But there's very little stopping Europeans from buying Vanguard funds or ETFs, so this is a cultural phenomenon, not because of any legal barriers.

http://jlcollinsnh.com/2014/01/27/stocks-part-xxi-investing-...

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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It absolutely is. If the best you can do with someone with an advanced degree is make them drive a car, you're wasting a valuable mind on a menial task.

How pretentious of you to decide what's best for someone else. Your job shaming just reinforces the notion that everyone must get a higher education degree or GTFO. Maybe people doing the job enjoy it or are doing it part time or find that the resume benefits outweigh the pay? Either way there's nothing inherently wrong with a job that requires you to drive around all day. Work is work regardless of if you look down…

Re-read what I said, because you are responding to something that has nothing to do with any of my claim.

Restated: If you spend 8+ years and tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars to learn something, not putting it to use is a colossal waste of resources for everyone involved. It's not just you. It's the seat you took from another student who would have appreciated it more.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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It absolutely is. If the best you can do with someone with an advanced degree is make them drive a car, you're wasting a valuable mind on a menial task.

> It absolutely is while i agree with your sentiment about not at all utilizing the potential of an advanced education, i'm not sure how google is "at fault" here... assuming this resume requirement is real: is it google's fault there is a sufficient supply of master's holders willing to drive for minimum wage, such that they're content having the requirement?

No. But it very much is their fault for making such an asinine requirement. I have no doubt it actually hurts them, too. Turnover is expensive, and someone who has an advanced degree will bail for better prospects as soon as possible.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Only waiters get their share from the tips. I've spoken to waiters (mostly filipino) during a cruise and the $50 monthly excluding tips is real. I made a typo in my above comment. As a dishwasher, you get $450/month - fixed and without tips.

That's more plausible. I assume also room and board are "free".

Yeah they're included.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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How pretentious of you to decide what's best for someone else. Your job shaming just reinforces the notion that everyone must get a higher education degree or GTFO. Maybe people doing the job enjoy it or are doing it part time or find that the resume benefits outweigh the pay? Either way there's nothing inherently wrong with a job that requires you to drive around all day. Work is work regardless of if you look down…

Re-read what I said, because you are responding to something that has nothing to do with any of my claim. Restated: If you spend 8+ years and tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars to learn something, not putting it to use is a colossal waste of resources for everyone involved. It's not just you. It's the seat you took from another student who would have appreciated it more.

That's the same thing. It's not up to you to define "waste of resources" based on what someone chose to learn.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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> It absolutely is while i agree with your sentiment about not at all utilizing the potential of an advanced education, i'm not sure how google is "at fault" here... assuming this resume requirement is real: is it google's fault there is a sufficient supply of master's holders willing to drive for minimum wage, such that they're content having the requirement?

No. But it very much is their fault for making such an asinine requirement. I have no doubt it actually hurts them, too. Turnover is expensive, and someone who has an advanced degree will bail for better prospects as soon as possible.

Why would they not ask for higher requirements as long as the jobs continue to be filled? You seem to have a problem with the wrong thing.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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What does "socialised medicine" mean? Many European countries have mandatory health insurance premiums on top of normal taxation (for example: Netherlands, Switzerland). The original poster says claims Ireland doesn't and whilst I'd assume they know more than I do, http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/Find_a_Service/eligibility.ht... makes it sound substantially free or heavily subsidised ("comprehensive, government funded…

See the means test here: http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/medical_cards_an... Sounds comprehensive to you? The income threshold is so low that only unemployed people qualify.

The link I posted said that's for roughly 30% of people, to receive completely free care, so yes, it's fairly low. Skimming further than that page suggested the remainder was still heavily subsidized. Most European countries I've experienced do not have 100% free healthcare for all.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Google wants Geographers with masters degrees to drive their Google Street View cars for minimum wage in Seattle. Their requirements are ridiculous for their lowend positions.

And if you profit from Google stock/options/rsus/whatever, you're benefiting from this exploitation.

> you're benefiting from this exploitation.

So what? I'm sure there's things you benefit from thanks to the Nazis.

Personally I prefer to not encourage bad behaviour and change the world in a positive way than worry about philosophical arguments.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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What do you suggest that Filipino man does instead?

Anything that doesn't end up destroying his health and life. I reject the notion that cruise ship work is the only job available to him.

Unless you're planning to employ him I don't think that's your call to make.
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