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Re: The CIA Is Sharing Declassified Maps

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Churches are major landmarks.

Some are - they are absolutely everywhere in all cities I've lived in or visited, and yet I couldn't tell you the names of more than a couple. Do people really know the names of a significant portion of them?

Probably the people who live in those neighborhoods do, which can be a useful reference if you're in those areas.

Re: The CIA Is Sharing Declassified Maps

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I'm really curious why this 14 mile strip of Antarctica is censored: https://www.google.com/maps/place/70%C2%B010'04.0%22S+87%C2%... Satellite map images with missing or unclear data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_map_images_with_miss...

Surely it's related to communication interception? Either for the Pacific/Southern Ocean or on the Antarctic continent.

Or a giant ruse to divert attention from elsewhere.

Re: The CIA Is Sharing Declassified Maps

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some are - they are absolutely everywhere in all cities I've lived in or visited, and yet I couldn't tell you the names of more than a couple. Do people really know the names of a significant portion of them?

Probably the people who live in those neighborhoods do, which can be a useful reference if you're in those areas.

Asking people about churches in 198x USSR was probably not the wisest way to go around for a CIA spy. Better stick with libraries.

Re: The CIA Is Sharing Declassified Maps

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post #2

I'm really curious why this 14 mile strip of Antarctica is censored: https://www.google.com/maps/place/70%C2%B010'04.0%22S+87%C2%... Satellite map images with missing or unclear data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_map_images_with_miss...

I'm not sure that's censored, at least by Google, I think it's just bad data. The copyright at higher zooms is shown as NASA, which would have used Landsat. In the Landsat archive, there are numerous satellite images for that region, though low quality: https://landsatlook.usgs.gov/viewer.html

Seems likely nobody at Google has taken the effort to do anything about it because who uses Google Maps to look at antarctica?

To those saying it's a military installation or SIGINT thing, I very very seriously doubt it. The Antarctic Treaty explicitly forbids military activity and an installation might be blockable by Google Maps but no one country has a monopoly on imaging satellites. It'd be seen and start a diplomatic shitstorm.

Re: The CIA Is Sharing Declassified Maps

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the people who live in those neighborhoods do, which can be a useful reference if you're in those areas.

Asking people about churches in 198x USSR was probably not the wisest way to go around for a CIA spy. Better stick with libraries.

I was thinking more along the lines of "I'm looking for a shop near X."

Re: The CIA Is Sharing Declassified Maps

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ciagov/30849056096/in/album-72... If it's a tourist map then probably so, but I assume CIA would like to see something more substantial on their map. They're not in for the sights are they?

Churches are major landmarks.

They are also long-lived ( on the scale of decades and centuries ) and have reasonably static names.

Re: The CIA Is Sharing Declassified Maps

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post #4

Related is the story of Soviet maps. The Soviets had engaged in a monumental effort to map the world and then during the collapse in one of the republics the classified stack of maps got in the hands of Westerners: https://www.sovietmaps.com/ Here is a longer article about it: https://www.wired.com/2015/07/secret-cold-war-maps/ And also the map of San Francisco from the 80s: http://i.imgur.com/SdmmFUd.jpg

Oh my, thats some mighty detail! Guess communism wins, in this case :)

Re: The CIA Is Sharing Declassified Maps

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asking people about churches in 198x USSR was probably not the wisest way to go around for a CIA spy. Better stick with libraries.

I was thinking more along the lines of "I'm looking for a shop near X."

Никогда ещё Штирлиц[1] не был так близок к провалу.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stierlitz

Re: The CIA Is Sharing Declassified Maps

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post #24
post #2

I'm really curious why this 14 mile strip of Antarctica is censored: https://www.google.com/maps/place/70%C2%B010'04.0%22S+87%C2%... Satellite map images with missing or unclear data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_map_images_with_miss...

I'm not sure that's censored, at least by Google, I think it's just bad data. The copyright at higher zooms is shown as NASA, which would have used Landsat. In the Landsat archive, there are numerous satellite images for that region, though low quality: https://landsatlook.usgs.gov/viewer.html Seems likely nobody at Google has taken the effort to do anything about it because who uses Google Maps to look at antarctica…

Secret military installations in Antarctica is not unfathomable. You should read this: http://idlewords.com/2016/05/shuffleboard_at_mcmurdo.htm

Re: The CIA Is Sharing Declassified Maps

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post #4

Related is the story of Soviet maps. The Soviets had engaged in a monumental effort to map the world and then during the collapse in one of the republics the classified stack of maps got in the hands of Westerners: https://www.sovietmaps.com/ Here is a longer article about it: https://www.wired.com/2015/07/secret-cold-war-maps/ And also the map of San Francisco from the 80s: http://i.imgur.com/SdmmFUd.jpg

I own a couple of these maps covering the area I grew up in (Western Norway). In some respects, the Soviet general staff mapping is more detailed than the maps from the Norwegian mapping authority - they even showed a pile of wood in our back yard! (Presumably misidentified it as an outhouse)

An educated guess is they simply bought a set of the commercially available mapping, then compared it to satellite imagery and added their own points of interest.

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