California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers
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Re: California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers
#2Wait these people that willingly hire illegal workers who are willing to work under minimum wage with little legal protection are worried their workers will be deported and will now have to pay higher wages?
The farming subsidies is already ridiculous [1] for little farmers give back. Perhaps they should innovate instead being left behind, clearly the market is moving against them.
[1] http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21643191-crop-pr...
Re: California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers
#3> The prospect has business owners in the valley on edge. Patricia Pantoj runs a travel agency in Madera, north of Fresno, where the city’s approximately 60,000 residents are predominantly Latino and work in the fields. This year, she said, fewer people than ever before traveled back to their hometowns in Mexico.
> “They didn’t want to risk it,” she said. “Everyone is scared, even if they have papers.”
So policy which was intended to reduce the number of immigrant workers might have an actual effect of turning undocumented temporary/seasonal migrants into permanent denizens.
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Re: California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers
#4Falling in "love" while drunk on Fox News, InfoWars and CNN has a habit of leaving a hangover from hell, herpes and child-support payments the day after... although it and "light" domestic violence maybe decriminalized soon. Gotta keep up with our new BFFs, Russia, after all.
Re: California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers
#5They're idiots if they thought Trump wouldn't follow through on his pledge to deport illegal workers.
However, it should be noted that protectionism will also help American farmers, as produce from Mexico will become more expensive.
Should also add, allowing illegal immigrants to work benefits no one. Not American workers, not Mexican workers, no one. By bypassing labour laws and minimum wages, it allows for exploitation and also drives wages down.
Re: California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers
#6Robot pickers are out in force since 2003. Even for delicate fruits such as grape, raspberry, and strawberry fields.
Re: California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers
#7They're idiots if they thought Trump wouldn't follow through on his pledge to deport illegal workers. However, it should be noted that protectionism will also help American farmers, as produce from Mexico will become more expensive. Should also add, allowing illegal immigrants to work benefits no one. Not American workers, not Mexican workers, no one. By bypassing labour laws and minimum wages, it allows for exploita…
Exactly. Yet if you make it illegal to hire a non-citizen and you have millions of laborers you create a black market of cheap labor for unsafe business practices.
It's better to legalize and regulate something than to make it illegal. Make the minimum wage to hire a non-citizen the same $15/hour for a citizen and poof all the illegals now compete with the citizens at fair market rate.
Re: California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers
#8Falling in "love" while drunk on Fox News, InfoWars and CNN has a habit of leaving a hangover from hell, herpes and child-support payments the day after... although it and "light" domestic violence maybe decriminalized soon. Gotta keep up with our new BFFs, Russia, after all.
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Re: California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers
#9Wait these people that willingly hire illegal workers who are willing to work under minimum wage with little legal protection are worried their workers will be deported and will now have to pay higher wages? The farming subsidies is already ridiculous [1] for little farmers give back. Perhaps they should innovate instead being left behind, clearly the market is moving against them. [1] http://www.economist.com/news/u…
I don't think they work for less than minimum wage, nor do they hire them explicitly as illegal workers (instead, they turn a blind eye when their documentation doesn't line up).
How many Americans dream of doing farm work? We have some of the best farmland in the world, but our workforce has mainly moved up the tech chain to more skilled and hence more valuable labor. It is a contradiction.
Re: California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers
#10They're idiots if they thought Trump wouldn't follow through on his pledge to deport illegal workers. However, it should be noted that protectionism will also help American farmers, as produce from Mexico will become more expensive. Should also add, allowing illegal immigrants to work benefits no one. Not American workers, not Mexican workers, no one. By bypassing labour laws and minimum wages, it allows for exploita…
Exactly. Yet if you make it illegal to hire a non-citizen and you have millions of laborers you create a black market of cheap labor for unsafe business practices. It's better to legalize and regulate something than to make it illegal. Make the minimum wage to hire a non-citizen the same $15/hour for a citizen and poof all the illegals now compete with the citizens at fair market rate.
> It's better to legalize and regulate something than to make it illegal.
And there's already a system in place allowing for legal immigration.
That being said, too much immigration, legal or not, has significant social and economic effects. Tolerating illegal workers and unlimited immigration are both bad ideas.