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The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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With every single news outlet taking polical position lately - it became intolerable to read or find somewhat objective news source. I don't mind paying <$10 / mo for clean no BS objective and detailed coverage.

That makes sense. But your pricing is unreasonable. I don't mind paying $10k for a Ferrari.

ferraris are toys where each copy bears an unavoidable cost of production.

news articles have a single upfront cost, but subsequent copies carry near-zero production cost.

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My pain at the loss of the Google loophole is tempered by the realization that the WSJ has largely become a propaganda organ of the GOP.

Luckily every other major newspaper has you covered then.

most of them smeared sanders and fawned over clinton, so that's not a guarantee.

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Maybe this doesn't count as supporting, but: you also get free access with a .edu, .gov, or .mil email address.

really? I cant find that option. How does one sign up?

It's not as obvious as I'd remembered. I think these instructions work:

http://help.washingtonpost.com/link/portal/15067/15080/Artic...

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Tangent: I'm not sure I can think of recent money I've spent better than a year-long Washington Post subscription. Not because I want to support journalism (though I do), but because having a whole newspaper to flip through every day is so much more productive and efficient than getting dribs and drabs through Twitter and free news sites --- many of which are ultimately sourcing through the journalism that organizati…

Recent events have convinced me not to follow such a course of action. Most of the media seems more intent on printing fake news that fits their agenda than honest investigation, leading to the more sarcastic among us to refer to WaPo as Jeff Bezos' blog, etc. The media has a lot to do to recover their standing in my eyes before I'll read their work, much less pay them for it.

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I would consider perhaps $5-$10 a month if the WSJ was going to be my only source of news. If I could trust it to provide me with all I need every morning while I eat my breakfast. Unfortunately I live in Australia so most stuff in WSJ I don't care about. (And we have the ABC)

Why is a full feed of quality news worth less to you than Netflix?

Nobody pays for Netflix; they just use their cousin's/sister's/girlfriend's/etc.'s account.

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The Wall St. Journal is the single highest quality news source I'm aware of.

I'd have a tough time deciding between the NYT and WSJ next, especially since the editorial/opinion section of the WaPo is the least valuable to me (informed opinion is something you can get everywhere on the Internet for free). (WaPo vs. NYT was basically a coinflip decision for me, but doing WaPo and then NYT would probably create a pretty significant overlap, and WSJ wouldn't. On the other hand, the NYT is a subst…

I'd suggest the FT as among the highest quality papers. Or a good monthly.

One axis of quality measures here, using the Foreign Policy Top 100 Global Thinkers list:

https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/3hp41w/trackin...

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I see in the comments there are still some workarounds to this paywall. Good to know. Cheers. Just a reminder another workaround to the paywall is to you know actually subscribe to the newspaper. That is an option they offer. Obviously not possible for everyone. But if you have the money and want to read and support journalism... WSJ is really far from perfect but it's not the worst newspaper one could be subscribed…

I don't think it's smart to pay to read stuff from a group that also gets money from advertisers. You're either the product or the customer, when in doubt you'll be the product. Real subscription journalism doesn't do advertising.

Advertising-free journalism has a far higher price. Always has. Independence isn't cheap.

https://archive.org/stream/commercialismjou00holtuoft#page/1...

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Why do you say that? Their political coverage and some of their deep-dive investigative pieces have been top drawer IMO.

How about these two pieces published within about a week of each other? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/... https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/23/... You'll note that the two stories are directly contradictory. The claim made by the WaPo is stronger than Senator Sanders' and yet Senator Sanders received 4 Pinocchios for the claim. I also like FAIR's analysis of the Wa…

Thanks, I hadn't seen that before. I still value a lot of the work they did last year, but it's a great reminder to keep a critical eye on what I consume. Now, please don't tell me the WSJ and FT are guilty of the same offenses? I'm not sure I can handle that much disappointment in one day.

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Another way to get around many paywalls is to change your browser's user agent string to 'Googlebot'. I've got a subscription to the Financial Times, but if there's a one-off article somewhere else that I want to read, that's my go-to method for getting through a paywall. I wonder if their fix will close it off too.

Google recommends using reverse DNS lookup to determine if a client claiming to be Googlebot is really from Google – https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/80553?hl=en It isn't hard for paywall website operators to use this to block Googlebot fakers. (Rather than doing a reverse DNS lookup on every request, you'd want to maintain a local cache of those results, so you only need to do DNS lookups on new client I…

DNS lookups are expensive at server scale. Bot traffic ranges from maybe a quarter to 80% of traffic, though googlebot was only a subset of that.

Cheaper to look for Google ASNs.

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So does this mean Google is going to stop indexing the text of WSJ articles?

Google should absolutely not index, at least not under the current organic and news search. Why should they send traffic to articles that people can't freely view? I would support some kind of premium news offering from Google where they do index these and you are allowed access through a revenue share subscription made via Google.

I wouldn't be against Google showing the articles clearly marked as non-free. I would however be disappointed if I clicked through a regular link and hit a paywall.
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