Is there anyone that's not on Oracle's payroll that sides with them on this case?
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Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
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Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
#32Who has better connections with Trump? Sadly to say, that is not an irrelevant fact anymore. Trump is clearly the kind of president that would reach in to legal rulings he's paid not to like.
Why would he care about two companies he doesn't own? I don't think this is a big concern.
Oracle's CEO is on his transition team, and Oracle is one of the few big tech companies to not publicly support the legal challenge to the travel ban.
Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
#33Oracle is at that stage where they didn't invent or do anything right in the last 5 years but try to get money from lawsuits.
From what I've been told by a contact in their database sales team is that there pipeline for on-premise licenses is drying up quickly but their SaaS business is doing well.
That explains a lot about their recent behavior, e.g. dropping Solaris. If everyone is consuming their software over a network, it doesn't matter precisely what it's running on any more (so even if Oracle DBs could scale better on Solaris than on Linux or a BSD, a 1.3x SaaS shared-cluster size costs less than an OS development team.)
Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
#34Yeah. I got a suggestion. Don't join the industry. And if you're still in college, don't major in Computer Science Edit: Got hellbanned lol. @gregnoire: HN is a giant circlejerk You prolly think this site is so great and intellectual just because it has ycombinator in the URL. Internet comments fundamentally suck @DanBC: Pretty sure I got hellbanned. It's been an hour, still can't make new comments @sjwright: The med…
Your account is a month old: If you missed the memo, off-topic and arrogant comments are always voted down.
Edit: I see you took the part with "HN has become a giant circlejerk anyway" down.
Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is tricky because if you declare any API no matter how trivial copyrightable then the first guy to copyright a function to compute sqrt, tan, atan, etc wins. And if you can't copyright trivial interfaces then the question becomes where the line is drawn. There's far more at stake than Oracle trying to squeeze money out of Google.
Someone should write a program that generates all possible function names and argument types and declares them copyrighted, then release them all to the public.
You could, by a similar method, generate all possible images but that doesn't mean you would be able to copyright them all. The creative element would become the act of identifying specific images within your set with artistic merit -- those would be copyrightable.
Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
#36I hope Oracle wins. The sooner Java dies, the better.
I still don't understand why Google did not buy Sun Microsystems. They hired a lot of the staff anyway, and could have avoided the lawsuit.
Dude, who cares? Fuck both of them
they're both incumbent, bloated, shitty companies that we'd all be better off with if they just didn't exist
Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is tricky because if you declare any API no matter how trivial copyrightable then the first guy to copyright a function to compute sqrt, tan, atan, etc wins. And if you can't copyright trivial interfaces then the question becomes where the line is drawn. There's far more at stake than Oracle trying to squeeze money out of Google.
I completely agree, but I don't really know what to do about it. Surely a document describing a useful software interface (GUI, CLI, API) is a creative work and takes effort to produce. Unless we just agree that it's a necessary exception for the purposes of interoperbility I'm not sure how I would argue that it shouldn't fall under copyright protection.
I'm not 100% certain of all the details but isn't that exactly what Google tried, and failed, to assert originally? If I remember correctly, the 'fair use' argument only came up after Google lost on the 'can't copyright an interface' argument, and the real travesty here is not that Google are being denied fair use (because, you're right, it's not fair use), but that Oracle's copyright claim over the Java API ever held up at all.
Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
#38I hope Oracle wins. The sooner Java dies, the better.
Are you that hateful of Java that you are blind to the implications of an Oracle win? It won't be just Java 'dying.'
Let's assume Oracle wins on appeal... What's next? Is everyone suddenly writing .Net code? Or are we left to find languages with lapsed copyrights? Fortran IV and Snobol are the new hotness! Everyone in to the pool!
Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
#39How does OpenJDK stay out of violation if Oracle wins? Doesn't OpenJDK basically copy the API as well?
Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle
#40Oracle should stop that, in my opinion. That attitude could kill Java in the long term.