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Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Post by cobookman »

traveling wrote: post #53
Synaesthesia wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not something that's writ in stone though - we could hangs that, and change starts with education, articles like this.

Call me overly cynical, but the future is looking even worse with ever increasing automation. There will most likely be a small elite of technocrats and wealthy while everybody else is living in shacks competing for whatever jobs are left. Most single millenial guys that aren't in tech or another high paying career are already living in shared housing indefinetely if they're in a big city. An excess of people having…

Look up what the kibbutzim are like in Israel. Those types of communities could easily be ported to work in America.

Shared housing isn't all that bad if done right

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Post by differentView »

jdavis703 wrote: post #78
differentView wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not ridiculous as long as there are Geographers with masters degrees willing to take those jobs.

Actually it is ridiculous. Why were public funds spent on giving someone advanced education to drive around? Is there nothing better society can do with such skills?

It absolutely is not ridiculous on Google's part.

You're making some other point.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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jdavis703 wrote: post #78
differentView wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not ridiculous as long as there are Geographers with masters degrees willing to take those jobs.

Actually it is ridiculous. Why were public funds spent on giving someone advanced education to drive around? Is there nothing better society can do with such skills?

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Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Post by s_kilk »

yardie wrote: post #70
traveling wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok I'm going to give you the country, it's Ireland. Some medical card for the destitute exists but if you're working you don't qualify. The whole medical system is a nightmare, but it's a very small country as well.

From the description I assumed it was one of the more Eastern European countries like Romania. I've never looked at Ireland like that. I assumed they had the same setup as most of western EU countries.

[Born and raised Irish, left at the first opportunity ]

Ireland is a weird (and sometimes nightmarish) mix of European and American culture. For some reason we decided that some of the dumbest ideas of the US simply had to be implemented, at great cost to the average citizen.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Post by kickaxeninja »

But carnival spends hundreds of millions developing their medallion app to deliver the highest level of guest experience. I'm all for profit but they have the money to treat their workers humanely.

Carnival, and all their princess subsidiaries should be boycotted

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Post by xapata »

jasode wrote: post #74
throwaway2048 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most famously, this sort of non arguement was a classic defence of the soviet system when compared with the american one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_negros Being a hypocrite on these issues is basicly unavoidable in the modern world, but the critical point here is that does not make you wrong , nor is it a refutation that such things are bad and should be changed. Its just an easy trite dismis…

>Its just an easy trite dismissal I wasn't dismissing the Filipino worker. I was trying to expand the discussion to other areas similar to the cruise worker. People may be unaware how many other workers in other industries the "slavery" criteria applies to. Or they are aware and don't care. I haven't taken a survey and don't know.

> aware and don't care

I've heard a few people say, "America First," recently. I think everyone is at least mildly aware of suffering internationally. Refugees are big news.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Post by xapata »

lubos wrote: post #14

The sad thing is that while he was able to earn $1,500 per month, he apparently didn't invest into anything. No financial planning as if he can do this job forever. Sure he must have known stories what's going on and could prepare for this possibility. I don't understand why he didn't.

How can you invest if you don't trust the bank? There's a very real possibility of your electronic cash disappearing.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Post by bigmanwalter »

jasode wrote: post #29
readhn wrote: post #13

This is why I am never ever going on a cruise ship (or any resort in Mexico, Dominican etc). Knowing that the guy serving you is basically a slave working for pennies while you are supposed to enjoy your vacation and relax- I couldn't, no thank you. What surprises me to this day is how little it costs to buy American congress. 1,000,000$ lobbying costs? That's less than a lot of houses in SF or NYC. Shouldn't it cost…

>This is why I am never ever going on a cruise ship [...] Knowing that the guy serving you is basically a slave I'm not doubting your sincerity and principles but I'd like to go beyond this particular injustice of cruise workers and understand how consumers reconcile all the "slave" inputs for the other products they buy. In the USA, many fruits and veggies are collected by cheap labor from Mexico.[1] In UK, the anal…

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Post by k__ »

traveling wrote: post #53
Synaesthesia wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not something that's writ in stone though - we could hangs that, and change starts with education, articles like this.

Call me overly cynical, but the future is looking even worse with ever increasing automation. There will most likely be a small elite of technocrats and wealthy while everybody else is living in shacks competing for whatever jobs are left. Most single millenial guys that aren't in tech or another high paying career are already living in shared housing indefinetely if they're in a big city. An excess of people having…

Not all jobs can be automated and there are a bunch of such in healthcare and social that are understaffed even now.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Post by nojvek »

GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #72
traveling wrote: post #19

Newsflash: Life sucks anywhere when you're poor and uneducated. I worked as an independent Google contractor before for less than $11 an hour with very stringent rules, ever increasing performance requirements, no holidays, no sick pay, no nothing. If you're poor and uneducated you're disposable dirt anywhere these days, even though people would like you to think otherwise and it's obviously even worse in 3rd world c…

Sounds like someone needs a whole lot of collective labor action.

America is built upon the idea of cheap labor and fat profits. Everyone for themselves. Unions won't do much. Automation will only make things worse for poor and uneducated.

Humans are selfish by nature driven by financial rewards.

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