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Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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The sad thing is that while he was able to earn $1,500 per month, he apparently didn't invest into anything. No financial planning as if he can do this job forever. Sure he must have known stories what's going on and could prepare for this possibility. I don't understand why he didn't.

Ummm living costs eating up everything? He did not have any disposable income to invest?

These jobs come with room and board.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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This is why I am never ever going on a cruise ship (or any resort in Mexico, Dominican etc). Knowing that the guy serving you is basically a slave working for pennies while you are supposed to enjoy your vacation and relax- I couldn't, no thank you. What surprises me to this day is how little it costs to buy American congress. 1,000,000$ lobbying costs? That's less than a lot of houses in SF or NYC. Shouldn't it cost…

>This is why I am never ever going on a cruise ship [...] Knowing that the guy serving you is basically a slave I'm not doubting your sincerity and principles but I'd like to go beyond this particular injustice of cruise workers and understand how consumers reconcile all the "slave" inputs for the other products they buy. In the USA, many fruits and veggies are collected by cheap labor from Mexico.[1] In UK, the anal…

It's always possible to make arguments like these, and their appeal is that they're impossible to refute. It's not evident that the conditions of the Filipino cruise ship worker are worse than the Foxconn worker, the strawberry picker or the factory worker in Vietnam.

However one should never turn moral consistency into a prerequisite for action - otherwise we get paralysis and inaction and nothing gets done at all. CP is perfectly able to reconcile voting with his or her feet on this and accepting that in other areas he or she is tacitly accepting slavery.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

An unskilled operational role. I worked for outsourcers before as well doing support type jobs. Bad pay, ever increasing performance pressure, no benefits (no sick pay or health insurance), so if you got sick you were shit out of luck and healthcare was prohibitively expensive. Private insurance was available of course but these were all angle shooting companies in the affordable range that are barely better than hav…

>This was in western Europe. Most western Europe has socialized medicine. Was health insurance as essential as in the USA?

I don't want to dox myself, but you can probably guess which western European country doesn't. Healthcare isn't US level expensive there where you'll go bankrupt with any minor issue but still prohibitively expensive if you don't make much and break your arm for example, so it's somewhat essential.

A colleague of mine got diagnosed with a serious heart condition, was away for a month or so without sick pay, got fired as a result and went bankrupt from medical bills.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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post #14

The sad thing is that while he was able to earn $1,500 per month, he apparently didn't invest into anything. No financial planning as if he can do this job forever. Sure he must have known stories what's going on and could prepare for this possibility. I don't understand why he didn't.

And where did you learn to do financial planning? Were you perhaps raised in an environment where you could see loans, investments, assets, mortgages, credit and debit in action? Or perhaps you even had it as a formal subject in school? Now imagine you were raised in a bamboo shack living hand-to-mouth in a cash economy.

can confirm. filipino here now in US. my uncles were seamen. no fin planning in life. You just retire and hope your children will take care of you. It's like the equivalent of military here in US

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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That's terrible man. $190/month as a dish washer $45/month as a waiter (with tips that could reach to 2k if you always work overtime and not complain about the lack of extra pay)

> with tips that could reach to 2k if you always work overtime and not complain about the lack of extra pay How does a dishwasher make tips?

Only waiters get their share from the tips. I've spoken to waiters (mostly filipino) during a cruise and the $50 monthly excluding tips is real.

I made a typo in my above comment. As a dishwasher, you get $450/month - fixed and without tips.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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post #29
post #13

This is why I am never ever going on a cruise ship (or any resort in Mexico, Dominican etc). Knowing that the guy serving you is basically a slave working for pennies while you are supposed to enjoy your vacation and relax- I couldn't, no thank you. What surprises me to this day is how little it costs to buy American congress. 1,000,000$ lobbying costs? That's less than a lot of houses in SF or NYC. Shouldn't it cost…

>This is why I am never ever going on a cruise ship [...] Knowing that the guy serving you is basically a slave I'm not doubting your sincerity and principles but I'd like to go beyond this particular injustice of cruise workers and understand how consumers reconcile all the "slave" inputs for the other products they buy. In the USA, many fruits and veggies are collected by cheap labor from Mexico.[1] In UK, the anal…

These people usually choose these jobs because they're the best option available. I'd rather lower my lifestyle, send as much as I can towards development NGOs, and vote for candidates trying to build mutually beneficial trade agreements, rather than using our strong economic position to force unfavorable rules unto developing countries.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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If you're a Filipino man and reading this, please don't be tempted to take one of these jobs. Your health is something that you can't replace.

Filipino here. My father is a seaman and have been working for that job for more than 20 years. He does not have health problems and received a good pay that helped me able to graduate from college. Despite his age, he still continues to work because he still needs to sustain the family expenses.

Most of the Filipinos sees working overseas a special opportunity to bring good fortune to their families. But sometimes reality strikes hard for some and are lured into abusive employers. This is one of the reasons why we have a government body to handle such cases. Most of these problems happen on non-specialized jobs such as domestic helpers, waiter and care givers since they are the most vulnerable to abuses compared to engineers and nurses.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Newsflash: Life sucks anywhere when you're poor and uneducated. I worked as an independent Google contractor before for less than $11 an hour with very stringent rules, ever increasing performance requirements, no holidays, no sick pay, no nothing. If you're poor and uneducated you're disposable dirt anywhere these days, even though people would like you to think otherwise and it's obviously even worse in 3rd world c…

It's not something that's writ in stone though - we could hangs that, and change starts with education, articles like this.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This was in western Europe. Most western Europe has socialized medicine. Was health insurance as essential as in the USA?

I don't want to dox myself, but you can probably guess which western European country doesn't. Healthcare isn't US level expensive there where you'll go bankrupt with any minor issue but still prohibitively expensive if you don't make much and break your arm for example, so it's somewhat essential. A colleague of mine got diagnosed with a serious heart condition, was away for a month or so without sick pay, got fired…

> I don't want to dox myself, but you can probably guess which western European country doesn't.

Maybe this is supposed to be an easy question, but as an American, I have no idea which western European country doesn't have socialized medicine, and Wikipedia is not helping me out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_univers...

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