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Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder why they do this. The $$$ savings for the lesser hours are peanuts given the low wages. Only reason I can think of is to break the will of the workers. It's more about regulations I believe, if management can "prove" that you did not work more than the allowed hours, they cannot be fined for it.

Why can't you work more than 10 hours per day? Is that a labor law in ship's flag country?

Probably the 91 hour per week limit the article mentioned, if they were clocking 12 to 14hr shifts they would meet or break that maximum hourly limit often. Those are insane work hours!

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Carnival is basically the bottom of the barrel in the cruise ship industry, cheap crap for the masses and they maintain this cheapness by poor working conditions, slapdash ship design (count how many ships caught fire in the past few years, almost all Carnival) and low quality amenities. Like no frills airlines, there is of course a market for cheap, but you get what you pay for. Even on much better lines it isn't an easy job, but my friends in the cruise industry note that it is a decent living for people from poorer countries, and can be fun if you land on the right ship/line. You do work 7 days a week but the commute is short, and on decent ships your life is not really that bad.

But as the article pointed out, that choice of where you work can make a huge difference if anything goes wrong like an injury, and that's where none of the lines are really all that great. Even there while there are always new people they can hire, word does get out who to work for, and if your rep takes a fall because you treat people like crap, you won't be able to hire good people, and the guests will see the quality drop to point where revenue gets hit. Cruise ships are enormously expensive to run, and competition is strong. But my family has been on enough cruises to know who we would rather be on, and how decently they treat the employees is a good indication of whether you should spend a little more and get a better experience.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Newsflash: Life sucks anywhere when you're poor and uneducated. I worked as an independent Google contractor before for less than $11 an hour with very stringent rules, ever increasing performance requirements, no holidays, no sick pay, no nothing. If you're poor and uneducated you're disposable dirt anywhere these days, even though people would like you to think otherwise and it's obviously even worse in 3rd world c…

Wow, that's surprising. Was that position you're describing doing software development? Where were you based?

Google wants Geographers with masters degrees to drive their Google Street View cars for minimum wage in Seattle. Their requirements are ridiculous for their lowend positions.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

#35
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you suggest that Filipino man does instead?

Found a startup, pitch on HN, get rich - c'mon man, get with the program !

For a different perspective, conditions may have changed now...

I have about 6 cousins from the Philippines that are all around the world on various cruise ships, tankers, and cargo ships. Each one sending money back home, each one happy, they all love their jobs, and go back for reassignment.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, that's surprising. Was that position you're describing doing software development? Where were you based?

An unskilled operational role. I worked for outsourcers before as well doing support type jobs. Bad pay, ever increasing performance pressure, no benefits (no sick pay or health insurance), so if you got sick you were shit out of luck and healthcare was prohibitively expensive. Private insurance was available of course but these were all angle shooting companies in the affordable range that are barely better than hav…

>This was in western Europe.

Most western Europe has socialized medicine. Was health insurance as essential as in the USA?

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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post #24

> The three logged their hours on the ship’s time-sheet software, called “Fun Time” (Carnival Cruise Line’s motto is the “Fun Ship”). But when the number exceeded ten hours, it appeared red on the screen. No matter how many extra hours they tapped in, their pay slips rarely showed that they worked more than ten or 11 hours a day. Regie didn’t understand why he wasn’t paid for the extra work, and when he asked managem…

>I wonder why they do this. The $$$ savings for the lesser hours are peanuts given the low wages.

Managers and supervisors always work for achievements, which are usually made on the back of the lower rungs by saving money and increasing performance by any means necessary.

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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That's terrible man. $190/month as a dish washer $45/month as a waiter (with tips that could reach to 2k if you always work overtime and not complain about the lack of extra pay)

> with tips that could reach to 2k if you always work overtime and not complain about the lack of extra pay

How does a dishwasher make tips?

Re: Below Deck: Filipinos make up nearly a third of all cruise ship workers

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All of the replies from Carnival give the same impression: we have rules against that sort of thing, and would punish anyone caught breaking those rules. We also do not go looking for anyone breaking such rules, because we make more money this way.

Having rules is meaningless if you aren't trying to enforce them.

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