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The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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Paywalls have been tightening up recently. The Washington Post now has stronger anti-ad-blocking. So do the Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times. The New York Times is still accessible. It's a concern that the newspapers which have actual reporters in the field are disappearing behind paywalls.

Actual reporters need to be paid :) The idea of free access to news is relatively recent, since wide-spread web access. Prior to that, people paid for subscriptions, or bought papers at new stands or from boxes. Sure, people might share a few papers at the office or at a restaurant, but having access like we've had for the past 20 years or so is pretty remarkable. I think it's becoming increasingly clear that purely ad-based publishing is encouraging an increase in yellow journalism.

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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https://blendle.com/ seems to meet your needs.

Thanks for the link! I just signed up requesting a beta invite. $0.25 per article, with an instant refund sounds fair. I have wanted access to The Economist, etc., but not enough for a full subscription.

You should see if your local library gives you access to Zinio - I get the Economist (and numerous other publications) for free through ours.

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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Thanks for the link! I just signed up requesting a beta invite. $0.25 per article, with an instant refund sounds fair. I have wanted access to The Economist, etc., but not enough for a full subscription.

You should see if your local library gives you access to Zinio - I get the Economist (and numerous other publications) for free through ours.

Good tip, but when I was subscribing to the Economist, I found it worth using their app, which was much better, although, not free.

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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There is still incentive for WSJ to allow Google to index, they probably just will redirect you to sign up when you click through. Perhaps they'd let Google just index the preview text to prevent using the cache

Doesn't Google punish sites that show different content to Googlebot than they do to a user?

It seems like they should otherwise it would seriously hurt their search quality (unless they did something like personalized search ranking for users who they could determine were signed into those particular walled off sites).

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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First of all, I think it's great that journalists can get compensated for their work. but, strictly speaking as a consumer, I must say their paywall is completely out of touch with the way I want to pay for news consumption. I don't mind paying 5c or even 10c per article, but I'm certainly not going to sign up to pay 120$ for 6 months, if I'm only going to read 1 or 2 articles here and there. but since they've done i…

https://blendle.com/ seems to meet your needs.

This is exactly how I want to support journalism & consume news. I don't want to commit to a single source of news, but I'm happy to pay per use.

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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So does this mean Google is going to stop indexing the text of WSJ articles?

Google should absolutely not index, at least not under the current organic and news search. Why should they send traffic to articles that people can't freely view?

I would support some kind of premium news offering from Google where they do index these and you are allowed access through a revenue share subscription made via Google.

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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Paywalls have been tightening up recently. The Washington Post now has stronger anti-ad-blocking. So do the Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times. The New York Times is still accessible. It's a concern that the newspapers which have actual reporters in the field are disappearing behind paywalls.

Actual reporters need to be paid :) The idea of free access to news is relatively recent, since wide-spread web access. Prior to that, people paid for subscriptions, or bought papers at new stands or from boxes. Sure, people might share a few papers at the office or at a restaurant, but having access like we've had for the past 20 years or so is pretty remarkable. I think it's becoming increasingly clear that purely…

I was under the impression that the subscription fee for newspapers was to cover printing and delivery. And that the ads were how the publishers got paid.

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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If anyone's looking for another workaround, the article actually hints at the solution: Facebook's l.php redirect that it uses when you click on a link shared through the platform. It functions similarly to the Google redirect, and you don't even need a Facebook account for it to work.

E.g. https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https://www.wsj.com/article...

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is still incentive for WSJ to allow Google to index, they probably just will redirect you to sign up when you click through. Perhaps they'd let Google just index the preview text to prevent using the cache

Doesn't Google punish sites that show different content to Googlebot than they do to a user?

Yes, that's "cloaking".

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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If anyone's looking for another workaround, the article actually hints at the solution: Facebook's l.php redirect that it uses when you click on a link shared through the platform. It functions similarly to the Google redirect, and you don't even need a Facebook account for it to work. E.g. https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https://www.wsj.com/article...

I would give you HN gold if it existed (now we just need a bookmarklet/extension to automate this).

Do we know that this will still work on Monday? Maybe this will also be closed and you'll need a special link?

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