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The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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So does this mean Google is going to stop indexing the text of WSJ articles?

There is still incentive for WSJ to allow Google to index, they probably just will redirect you to sign up when you click through. Perhaps they'd let Google just index the preview text to prevent using the cache

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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I think this is great news. I'd love to see WSJ ad free and funded with subscriptions. I'm not sure I would subscribe, but I want to live in a world where it's possible.

I would love to see the NYT completely ad-free. I subscribed for a few months thinking my subscription fee would remove the ads, but that wasn't the case.

I want a good source of news, ad-free, and I'm willing to pay for it. Unfortunately it seems like I'm in the extreme minority.

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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post #11
post #10

So does this mean Google is going to stop indexing the text of WSJ articles?

There is still incentive for WSJ to allow Google to index, they probably just will redirect you to sign up when you click through. Perhaps they'd let Google just index the preview text to prevent using the cache

Doesn't Google punish sites that show different content to Googlebot than they do to a user?

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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I think this is great news. I'd love to see WSJ ad free and funded with subscriptions. I'm not sure I would subscribe, but I want to live in a world where it's possible.

I would love to see the NYT completely ad-free. I subscribed for a few months thinking my subscription fee would remove the ads, but that wasn't the case. I want a good source of news, ad-free, and I'm willing to pay for it. Unfortunately it seems like I'm in the extreme minority.

I'd like that, too. However, subscriptions alone—unless raised significantly—won't cover the costs for the NYT (or other paper). Note that the physical paper always carries ads and each paper is paid for—either the cover price or through a subscription.

Hopefully subscriptions will encourage better quality ads, headlines, and stories. Subscriptions do allow for less click bait.

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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I think this is great news. I'd love to see WSJ ad free and funded with subscriptions. I'm not sure I would subscribe, but I want to live in a world where it's possible.

I would love to see the NYT completely ad-free. I subscribed for a few months thinking my subscription fee would remove the ads, but that wasn't the case. I want a good source of news, ad-free, and I'm willing to pay for it. Unfortunately it seems like I'm in the extreme minority.

I hope you're not in an extreme minority, because I'm right there with you. I currently subscribe to the NYT, and I'd welcome the opportunity to entirely pay for my content without having to worry about ads. I get around it now by using ABP -- with no guilt, since I'm a subscriber -- but it would be nice to not need such interventions.

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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Hmmmm. In the FAQ, under the question "Are paywalls ok?", there's this: >It's ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that have workarounds. If this loophole is closed, will there be any workarounds? If that's the case, then I wonder if it'll still be OK to post WSJ links to HN.

For what it's worth, whenever you share an article from the WSJ as a subscriber it seems to generate a custom link that bypasses the paywall for the recipient. I hope they retain this feature because I do enjoy sharing articles with people that might not subscribe.

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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I think this is great news. I'd love to see WSJ ad free and funded with subscriptions. I'm not sure I would subscribe, but I want to live in a world where it's possible.

I would love to see the NYT completely ad-free. I subscribed for a few months thinking my subscription fee would remove the ads, but that wasn't the case. I want a good source of news, ad-free, and I'm willing to pay for it. Unfortunately it seems like I'm in the extreme minority.

They're totally set on the advertising business model. They started displaying ads on the front page of the paper in 2009. If they change anything, they will raise prices and display even more ads.

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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https://support.google.com/news/publisher/answer/40543?hl=en...

According to this, it will need to mark WSJ links differently in Google News.

Interestingly, I tested it and links from Google news still had a "First Click Free", contrary to OP. To test:

1. Go to https://news.google.com/ from a computer that hasn't visited any WSJ articles that day

2. Click on a WSJ link (mine was https://www.wsj.com/articles/daniel-tarullo-federal-reserve-...)

3. See if the whole article is displayed. For me, it was, but when I tried again it only showed a snippet. So it seems like they're only showing the very first click, which does not comply with Google's guidelines above (which require 3 articles a day to be viewable). Anyone else want to offer data points?

Edit: oh, OP says it's only starting Monday.

(Of course, WSJ may be exempt because of direct communication with Google, which I'd expect anyway at their size and at the fact that they weren't banned when they started testing this. But Google should really note any exceptions in their policy.)

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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First of all, I think it's great that journalists can get compensated for their work. but, strictly speaking as a consumer, I must say their paywall is completely out of touch with the way I want to pay for news consumption. I don't mind paying 5c or even 10c per article, but I'm certainly not going to sign up to pay 120$ for 6 months, if I'm only going to read 1 or 2 articles here and there. but since they've done i…

https://blendle.com/ seems to meet your needs.

Thanks for the link! I just signed up requesting a beta invite. $0.25 per article, with an instant refund sounds fair. I have wanted access to The Economist, etc., but not enough for a full subscription.

Re: The Wall Street Journal to Close Google Loophole Entirely

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Paywalls have been tightening up recently. The Washington Post now has stronger anti-ad-blocking. So do the Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times. The New York Times is still accessible.

It's a concern that the newspapers which have actual reporters in the field are disappearing behind paywalls.

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