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How a fake story about Angela Merkel led to a far-right cluster on Reddit

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Re: How a fake story about Angela Merkel led to a far-right cluster on Reddit

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Ok, now take a look at the same overlap for reddit powermods.

/u/qgyh2 , for example, mods a ton of default subs in addition to the following country subs: canada, australia, greece, israel, malaysia, pakistan, england, srilanka.

How are we so sure that this is isolated to only shaping a far right narrative?

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It's good to see this analysed; conspiracy theory of this kind has long been a plague on US politics and now it seems to be spreading to Europe. It takes a remarkably small number of people to put it in front of the meme-susceptible, who will then themselves spread it. (What I don't really understand is why US conspiracyism limits itself only to things that don't exist - you don't hear so much about Watergate, Iran-C…

>(What I don't really understand is why US conspiracyism limits itself only to things that don't exist - you don't hear so much about Watergate, Iran-Contra, COINTELPRO and so on.) There's an easy answer: you can't wildly speculate when you have the facts. This is why "PizzaGate" is still being talked about. There will never be proof, because it's a ridiculous conspiracy. That leaves the conspiracy enthusiasts free t…

>There's an easy answer: you can't wildly speculate when you have the facts. This is why "PizzaGate" is still being talked about. There will never be proof, because it's a ridiculous conspiracy. That leaves the conspiracy enthusiasts free to hunt for evidence and clues forever.

This. If there is a solid answer to the question then you can't have the pleasurable hobby of fitting puzzle pieces from different sets together to point to the coming apocalypse.

Re: How a fake story about Angela Merkel led to a far-right cluster on Reddit

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This is interesting as a work of network analysis, but I'm not sure how to connect this back to politics. It seems pretty clear to me whenever I browse /r/The_Donald that they're actively uninterested in fact-checking. There are posts hating on the new Netflix TV series "Dear White People" where people ask questions like "Do I even want to know what it's about?". There was a highly-upvoted image about Pizzagate with…

I'm curious about Pizzagate. Some of those emails are clearly trying to hide something. The language in them is obviously "code" for something or other. Has there been any other plausible/implausible theories apart from the Pizzagate one? Edit: Getting downvoted for asking a question. To be clear I have no idea what the emails are about and zero agenda here. The emails came across as very weird to me which is why I a…

We can't know for certain what's going on there, but you will notice that some people are desperate to declare that this has been "debunked" without there being any sort of investigation.

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> ...so that she could unleash an “EU Army” against fellow EU member states. The article puts “EU Army” in scare quotes, but that part is actually true; Merkel does support the creation of an EU Army: > "Mrs Merkel is backing a push by Mr Juncker to create an EU army." [1] [1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11861247...

All the other parts should be in scare quotes.

The EU army would almost certainly be implemented by close cooperation between the existing armies of the member states, instead of being some kind of reincarnation of the Wehrmacht.

A much more plausible spin would be to frame it as an act of aggression towards Russia, but some people might even support such a thing.

Re: How a fake story about Angela Merkel led to a far-right cluster on Reddit

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Ok, now take a look at the same overlap for reddit powermods. /u/qgyh2 , for example, mods a ton of default subs in addition to the following country subs: canada, australia, greece, israel, malaysia, pakistan, england, srilanka. How are we so sure that this is isolated to only shaping a far right narrative?

Do we know who qgyh2 is? Because unless they're a shared account or a bot, I don't see how one person could possibly moderate so many highly active subreddits, let alone do so in a way to promote whatever agenda you think is being promoted.

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This is interesting as a work of network analysis, but I'm not sure how to connect this back to politics. It seems pretty clear to me whenever I browse /r/The_Donald that they're actively uninterested in fact-checking. There are posts hating on the new Netflix TV series "Dear White People" where people ask questions like "Do I even want to know what it's about?". There was a highly-upvoted image about Pizzagate with…

> Are the majority of Trump (and Farage, and Petry, and so forth) voters similarly uninterested in actual facts? Not just uninterested, but actively conspiratorial. It's hard to talk with a Trump voter when it veers into territory like "world leaders are withholding a cure for cancer" and "the Pope has a secret base in Antarctica."

Interesting.

On the Right, we see the same thing with your side. Total blind faith in blank slate theories of human equality, and uninterested in the piles of twin studies and metastudies that clearly demonstrate innate differences between demographic groups, even actively conspiratorial. It's hard to talk to a Hillary voter when it veers into "Conservatives are all anti-science but the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study and the vast consensus of geneticists on MAOA-L gene expression is a racist conspiracy by white men."

Re: How a fake story about Angela Merkel led to a far-right cluster on Reddit

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This is interesting as a work of network analysis, but I'm not sure how to connect this back to politics. It seems pretty clear to me whenever I browse /r/The_Donald that they're actively uninterested in fact-checking. There are posts hating on the new Netflix TV series "Dear White People" where people ask questions like "Do I even want to know what it's about?". There was a highly-upvoted image about Pizzagate with…

I'm curious about Pizzagate. Some of those emails are clearly trying to hide something. The language in them is obviously "code" for something or other. Has there been any other plausible/implausible theories apart from the Pizzagate one? Edit: Getting downvoted for asking a question. To be clear I have no idea what the emails are about and zero agenda here. The emails came across as very weird to me which is why I a…

I think you're getting downvoted because you made the claim that "Some of those emails are clearly trying to hide something" without providing any references to such emails. Maybe post some links to the emails you're referring to so others not in on the loop can join in

Re: How a fake story about Angela Merkel led to a far-right cluster on Reddit

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It's good to see this analysed; conspiracy theory of this kind has long been a plague on US politics and now it seems to be spreading to Europe. It takes a remarkably small number of people to put it in front of the meme-susceptible, who will then themselves spread it. (What I don't really understand is why US conspiracyism limits itself only to things that don't exist - you don't hear so much about Watergate, Iran-C…

> It's good to see this analysed

This article is just a great description of the network of people discussing the idea, not an an actual analysis of this theory in light of Merkel's actions.

We can't know what the intentions in her heart are, but if she's not deliberately trying to destroy Europe she's certainly running it into the ground.

Re: How a fake story about Angela Merkel led to a far-right cluster on Reddit

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I wonder if flooding the internet with obviously-fake news (eg. markov model it) is one way to immunize people against the more slick kind of fake news.

It's also a sure way to inoculate them against every news in general... which wouldn't be a very positive outcome.

Yes you may be right. I guess a positive outcome would involve people using their brain more and checking their sources (of information) and just generally being less credulous.
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