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How UPS trucks saved millions of dollars by eliminating left turns

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Re: How UPS trucks saved millions of dollars by eliminating left turns

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Does typical navigation software assign the same cost to a left turn as a right turn?

I believe that Telogis does, from what one of the engineers was saying to me.

Most software will weight on rules like how long it will take to turn left rather than right at an intersection, and other average case rules at decision points.

Re: How UPS trucks saved millions of dollars by eliminating left turns

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post #8

> In the US, and other countries where you drive on the right side of the road, right turns are free, but for a left turn you need to wait for a green light. I don't know of any other country than the US where turning right on red is allowed, unless there's specific signage or additional traffic lights to allow it. Indeed, the turn-on-red rule in the US seems to work inverse to how I've seen it elsewhere – i.e. it's…

Turning right on red is one of those idea that once you've been exposed to it you wonder why isn't everybody adopting it... A similar idea is the train system in Munich where they built their platforms such that they can open doors on both sides, making one side of the train the exit, and the other side the entrance. Ever since I saw that, every single time I wait for people getting off a crowded train, I wonder "Why…

> Turning right on red is one of those idea that once you've been exposed to it you wonder why isn't everybody adopting it...

Because someone who comes from your left may go forward, or someone who comes from your front mau turn left?

Where I live, we do not assume that we can turn right on red lights. Where and when that's possible, we have a blinking yellow light (basically meaning proceed with caution)..

Re: How UPS trucks saved millions of dollars by eliminating left turns

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post #8

> In the US, and other countries where you drive on the right side of the road, right turns are free, but for a left turn you need to wait for a green light. I don't know of any other country than the US where turning right on red is allowed, unless there's specific signage or additional traffic lights to allow it. Indeed, the turn-on-red rule in the US seems to work inverse to how I've seen it elsewhere – i.e. it's…

It gets even better -- you can also make an "Oregon left" - in Oregon it is legal to turn left on red if you are turning onto a one way street.

http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/index.ssf/2015/10/turn_l...

Re: How UPS trucks saved millions of dollars by eliminating left turns

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post #8

> In the US, and other countries where you drive on the right side of the road, right turns are free, but for a left turn you need to wait for a green light. I don't know of any other country than the US where turning right on red is allowed, unless there's specific signage or additional traffic lights to allow it. Indeed, the turn-on-red rule in the US seems to work inverse to how I've seen it elsewhere – i.e. it's…

It gets even better -- you can also make an "Oregon left" - in Oregon it is legal to turn left on red if you are turning onto a one way street. http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/index.ssf/2015/10/turn_l...

Georgia has this too. Who doesn't have this?

Re: How UPS trucks saved millions of dollars by eliminating left turns

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post #11
post #8

> In the US, and other countries where you drive on the right side of the road, right turns are free, but for a left turn you need to wait for a green light. I don't know of any other country than the US where turning right on red is allowed, unless there's specific signage or additional traffic lights to allow it. Indeed, the turn-on-red rule in the US seems to work inverse to how I've seen it elsewhere – i.e. it's…

It is legal to turn right on a red light in Canada, except the Isle of Montreal. It actually used to be illegal in all of Quebec until 2003.

in NYC right turn on red is illegal, and it makes sense due to the number of pedestrians.

Re: How UPS trucks saved millions of dollars by eliminating left turns

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turning right on red is one of those idea that once you've been exposed to it you wonder why isn't everybody adopting it... A similar idea is the train system in Munich where they built their platforms such that they can open doors on both sides, making one side of the train the exit, and the other side the entrance. Ever since I saw that, every single time I wait for people getting off a crowded train, I wonder "Why…

> Turning right on red is one of those idea that once you've been exposed to it you wonder why isn't everybody adopting it... Because someone who comes from your left may go forward, or someone who comes from your front mau turn left? Where I live, we do not assume that we can turn right on red lights. Where and when that's possible, we have a blinking yellow light (basically meaning proceed with caution)..

when the idea is baked into how your whole traffic system operates, you don't have these issues. People turning right have the same right-of-way as people going straight through an intersection. People turning left must wait for all traffic to clear from the opposing lane before turning.

As for someone to your left going straight thru the intersection... you, turning right, must yield to those going straight. However, there is not always traffic coming straight through the light. If someone on the perpendicular street turns right instead of going straight thru, you may turn right from your lane into their lane because there is a pause in traffic flow coming through the intersection.

That probably doesn't make much sense but the bottom line is that when everyone knows the rules and everyone observes them, right on red is mostly painless.

Re: How UPS trucks saved millions of dollars by eliminating left turns

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This optimisation must exist at a basic level in all satnav software because journey time must be longer for the route with more left turns, as fed back into the system from previous journeys by other users.

It would be an interesting experiment to see how different consumer grade satnav systems compare on this pure travelling salesman problem.

Re: How UPS trucks saved millions of dollars by eliminating left turns

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post #8

> In the US, and other countries where you drive on the right side of the road, right turns are free, but for a left turn you need to wait for a green light. I don't know of any other country than the US where turning right on red is allowed, unless there's specific signage or additional traffic lights to allow it. Indeed, the turn-on-red rule in the US seems to work inverse to how I've seen it elsewhere – i.e. it's…

It gets even better -- you can also make an "Oregon left" - in Oregon it is legal to turn left on red if you are turning onto a one way street. http://www.oregonlive.com/commuting/index.ssf/2015/10/turn_l...

In California you can turn left on red from a one-way to a one-way street.

Re: How UPS trucks saved millions of dollars by eliminating left turns

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> In 2005, a year after it announced that it will minimise left turns, the company said that the total distance covered by its 96,000 trucks was reduced by 747,000km, and 190,000 litres of fuel had been saved.

Er... I understand that you may reduce your fuel consumption by not waiting at red lights, but that the total distance driven has been reduced is clearly wrong!

Guys, you have a bug in your spreadsheet!

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