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Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

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At least in Italy, this is exactly the opposite. The first 5 years you are given a "relatively" easy start, giving you a false sense of the costs involved. After the 5 year mark, the costs suddenly becomes 5-7x, often making the company fail.

Is it possible to "restart" the company? Maybe with slightly different name :)

There are several ways to obtain a VAT number, but the most economical is by binding the company to an individual, which of course won't be able to do so.

There are other way to start companies that are not directly attached to a person, but this involves a much larger upfront capital, which is designed to avoid exactly this scenario.

Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

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I don't think you understand the implication: there's no way to have a small, side passive income in the 0-10k range. This is a big stopper for many OSS developers that could bootstrap themselves. With this limitation, many developers simply do not (and rightly so) put the effort in accepting anything in that ballpark because it's just extra work.

I agree. You could get payment without a vat number though

In this case, there are also rules for the amount of income you're allowed to get without a VAT.

I'm pretty sure in most EU countries the profitability of a service supported by patreon (that is, a passive income in sub 10k range) would be almost nullified if correctly accounted for taxation.

I had long discussions with friends about legally accepting money for side projects. It's a very hard topic to discuss.

I'd be curious to know if anybody in an EU country is able to legally accept and declare a side income and retain anything more than 30%.

Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

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I apologize if I'm missing something here, but I don't see how this comment relates to the discussion. This account has also posted other unsubstantive comments, which is against the guidelines. We ban accounts that continue like this, so please comment civilly and substantively or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

Ban again as usual.

Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

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It is interesting to contrast this with esr's recent announcement "In which, alas, I must rattle a tin cup" [1]. [1] http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7348#more-7348

I was tempted to post the same thing. ESR points fingers, talks about how bloody important he is, and scoffs at the idea of getting a job like the rest of us. JWE faces facts, asks people to make their own judgment, and talks of getting a job in a tone that isn't snobbish.

Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

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This post today is what is wrong with open source software. If someone knows jwe, then they should tell him that lots of corporates and startups WANT to support stuff like this. But you cannot give a paypal link and expect donations. As a company, I cant do that. I need an invoice. Hell, if you can get a business account, I daresay you will get subscriptions. I like to call this "gratitude-ware". Check out Sidekiq Pr…

> As a company, I cant do that. I need an invoice.

...which you get through the FSF donation link he provided.

It's amazing that this is the top comment.

Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

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Wow. I had assumed (without looking) that Patreon took more than 5%. 5% is indeed awesome in my books. How much would it cost me to set that up myself (and deal with charge backs, etc, etc)? Specifically the cost of lost opportunity to do the work (and maintenance) necessary. 5% is "shut up and take my money" level for me. Having said that, you have a point about the automatic recurring billing thing...

Well, it's 5% + processor fees. The 5% is purely Patreon's cut, but personally I think it's well worth it for a lot of people. I know there's at least few hundred dollars of my money in various people's accounts over the last couple years that wouldn't be there without Patreon.

> Well, it's 5% + processor fees.

Exactly. The total cost is probably over 8% (pretax), which is more than those sketchy check-cashing places charge. It might be worth it if the adoption rate is high enough, but does anyone have personal anecdotes or (better) independent statistics on Patreon adoption and income?

Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

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Well, it's 5% + processor fees. The 5% is purely Patreon's cut, but personally I think it's well worth it for a lot of people. I know there's at least few hundred dollars of my money in various people's accounts over the last couple years that wouldn't be there without Patreon.

> Well, it's 5% + processor fees. Exactly. The total cost is probably over 8% (pretax), which is more than those sketchy check-cashing places charge. It might be worth it if the adoption rate is high enough, but does anyone have personal anecdotes or (better) independent statistics on Patreon adoption and income?

To be honest, I thought it would be in the 20% range, so 5% + processing fee sounds pretty good in comparison. From the perspective of funding software, I'm mostly thinking about indy game devs. Game portals can take up to 50% of the sale price.

From a business perspective, the processing fee is (I guess) incurred by the payee, so that's unfortunate, but I have difficulty thinking of a reasonable way to avoid that in any case. The 5% service charge that Patreon takes should be be an expense for you, as a business. Then you have to pay for marketing and advertising, so you're not going to walk away with more than 80% of the payment no matter what you do. At least you have the opportunity to directly balance the marketing/sales effort against the income (which is not something you can do if you are trying to sell through an existing sales channel -- they will advertise as much as they want and you will either like it or lump it). Patreon also gives a limited form of marketing by featuring projects in the newsletters they do, so that's a small benefit as well.

As a remote contractor that works in another country, I'm fairly well acquainted with bank charges :-P Most banks will happily charge you 6% for foreign exchange, and then still charge you $20 (plus a percentage) to transfer funds to another bank. It is (information) highway robbery. Like I said, 5% to actually provide a valuable service is refreshing.

P.S. For anyone in Japan, funnel all your money through a personal account in Shin Sei bank. You can thank me later. Not associated with the bank in any way, other than to be enjoying reasonably priced ForEx.

Edit: To answer your question, Tarn Adams has been sustaining about $7K a month from Patreon. He is likely an outlier, though.

Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

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I thought sun was in partnership with AT&T when system V came out, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Unix appears to support that idea, but my first-hand memories have dimmed with time (cause it's not something I care about that much) and you may well be right. I do remember, um, liberating an overlooked copy of system V/386 on 5.25" floppies that I found in a storage cupboard when I worked at PC Magazine…

If you have some time to refresh memory. "A Narrative History of BSD by Dr. Kirk McKusick" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds77e3aO9nA "Unix came into many CS departments largely because it was the only powerful interactive system that could run on the sort of hardware (PDP-11s) that universities could afford in the mid '70s. In addition, Unix itself was also very inexpensive. Since source code was provided, it was a…

Thanks, this looks enjoyable and informative.

Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

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post #302

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"I hope to retire next year to do open source full time with money made from closed source." Sounds like pulling the ladder up afterward. Perhaps the niche you plan to target with FOSS would have supported a fresh graduate's new career. But your work may condition that market to expect it for free.

So, he shouldn't do something he enjoys doing for free, because someone else somewhere might eventually want to make money off the same thing? That doesn't sound right.

Doing it is one thing. Distributing for free is taking it a step further.

If enough people take those extra steps then eventually the value of programming as a skill is diminished for everyone.

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