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2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Post by vaishaksuresh »

NotQuantum wrote: post #44
kcorbitt wrote: post #37

This analysis may be reasonable as far as it goes, but it can still make financial sense for someone to live and work in the Bay Area. I recently took a new job near San Francisco paying ~$160k. Living cheaply, our actual consumption for my family of 3 is about ~50k a year. (Yes, this is possible -- and life can still be enjoyable if you like spending time in nature/other inexpensive activities.) After taxes, that le…

As a newly graduated Site Reliability Engineer who's working in the Bay Area. I'm living and working in Sunnyvale, my expenses are way lower than expected, I was able to get a house a 20 minute bike away from work. I get a free caltrain pass, so I really don't need a car. I think the "cost of living" adjustment here is unfair. Sure, living in SF proper can cost you upwards of 8k-9k a month but there are MUCH more rea…

Do you have a family and rent your own place or do you share accommodation? That is a huge factor. I have single friends who pay $600 rent as opposed to me paying $3000.

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Post by jly »

r0m4n0 wrote: post #27

I have a much different cost of living equation supporting my decision to live in the bay. The big expense is obviously rent, which I'm sure they have represented... The average 1 bedroom in Austin around $1,000 and in SF let's say $3,300. Difference of $2,300 * 12 = $27,600. After that, that other $40,000 cost of living difference seems a bit of a stretch. In SF, my company buys breakfast, lunch, dinner and my trans…

Austin also has no income tax. I'm sure a large bay salary incurs a large CA income tax payment. I'd factor that in right on the top, too. Certainly a consideration I have as a Texas resident.

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Post by the_gastropod »

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #69
kcorbitt wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My commute is a 15-minute walk, or 5-minute bike ride. :) I chose the apartment based on proximity to work -- could have saved $100-200/mo with a longer commute, but the savings would have been more than eaten up by the gas/car maintenance costs and I hate commuting. I still own a car, but don't use it to get to work. We live in a 680 sq ft one-bedroom apartment in an older development ($2200/mo). We'll have to upgra…

> We live in a 680 sq ft one-bedroom apartment in an older development ($2200/mo). Whoa, that's almost double the estimated mortgage for the 5 bedroom houses with an acre of land my family has been looking at purchasing. I'll never move to the SF Bay Area. I encourage others not to, either. Get the companies there to open up to remote employees instead.

Yes. Urban areas are typically more expensive than rural areas. Maybe if urban residents stopped subsidizing unsustainable rural living, this price gap would shrink.

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Post by emodendroket »

edgyswingset wrote: post #75
kcorbitt wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My commute is a 15-minute walk, or 5-minute bike ride. :) I chose the apartment based on proximity to work -- could have saved $100-200/mo with a longer commute, but the savings would have been more than eaten up by the gas/car maintenance costs and I hate commuting. I still own a car, but don't use it to get to work. We live in a 680 sq ft one-bedroom apartment in an older development ($2200/mo). We'll have to upgra…

> We live in a 680 sq ft one-bedroom apartment in an older development ($2200/mo). We'll have to upgrade when my baby outgrows his large walk-in closet, but it fits our needs fine for now. And there's the kicker. In SLC you could afford a real house for that much. It's good that you can save that much right now, though. Definitely going to pay off.

Yeah, a lot of dollars-and-cents comparisons kind of ignore lifestyle concerns.

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Post by geofft »

_m8fo wrote: post #60

I'm legitimately interested to see how much software engineers make if they're not White or Asian. Given the lack of women and minorities I'd say minorities are better off being an MD than a SE. In addition, I'm skeptical that an average SE can get offers at places that give them this kind of compensation. --- Take Google for an example. [1] The earning "likelihood" (whether this is cultural, sociopolitical, socioeco…

I think some of the data you'd want to gather for this is

- what initial job offers look like, by demographic class, and what they get negotiated to

- offers revoked after attempted negotiation (yes, this is a thing that happens)

- long-term job prospects (negotiations for internal raises and promotions, layoffs / retention, etc.)

Hired has visibility into the first two, but I doubt they have much visibility into the last one, and I think that's the most relevant one for the effect of leaving the industry that you're interested in.

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Post by sokoloff »

_m8fo wrote: post #60

I'm legitimately interested to see how much software engineers make if they're not White or Asian. Given the lack of women and minorities I'd say minorities are better off being an MD than a SE. In addition, I'm skeptical that an average SE can get offers at places that give them this kind of compensation. --- Take Google for an example. [1] The earning "likelihood" (whether this is cultural, sociopolitical, socioeco…

I think you're skipping an important step in your model.

The probability of being black given that you work at Google is low. That doesn't imply that the probability of being hired at Google given that you're a black software engineer is low. (There may be a relatively low number of black software engineers in the industry. In fact, I believe that there are.)

(In the short term,) Google can't conjure up black software engineers if none exist.

If we steer talented minorities who might be able to choose between being an MD or an SWE into medicine because of a perception that they won't be hired as SWEs, we will perpetuate the lack of minority SWEs. (NB: The percentage of practicing doctors who are black is around 4% from a quick Google search. That doesn't mean we should discourage black college students from medicine, either!)

[1] = https://consumer.healthday.com/general-health-information-16...

Re: 2017 State of Global Tech Salaries

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Post by true_religion »

rattray wrote: post #80
_m8fo wrote: post #60

I'm legitimately interested to see how much software engineers make if they're not White or Asian. Given the lack of women and minorities I'd say minorities are better off being an MD than a SE. In addition, I'm skeptical that an average SE can get offers at places that give them this kind of compensation. --- Take Google for an example. [1] The earning "likelihood" (whether this is cultural, sociopolitical, socioeco…

While I struggle generally to discern what you're trying to say, I'm particularly befuddled by what "MD" refers to here.

Medical doctor.
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