Shenzhen: The Silicon Valley of Hardware [video] (2016)
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Re: Shenzhen: The Silicon Valley of Hardware [video] (2016)
#2I find this fascinating and troubling.
From a hacker perspective it is incredible. On the other hand, this is all driven by a profoundly illiberal government that has no goals other than its own survival and that's supported by a lot of human misery, some might say slavery. I love using Apple products but it's hard to forget the conditions at places like Foxconn.
Both sides think they are outflanking the other - the West hopes this development will liberalize China and increase respect for IP and rule of law while the Chinese government intends to use this interaction, trade, and adoption of tech to increase their own power. It's a very risky game. It's easy to criticize the US government (and for obvious reasons - this is not a defense of US foreign policy) but Chinese hegemony might be far worse.
As techies how can we create places like this in other more open countries? Can this kind of development not be done locally or in Latin America countries?
Please understand this is not an attack on China, just some (I think) realistic concerns about their government.
Re: Shenzhen: The Silicon Valley of Hardware [video] (2016)
#3I find this fascinating and troubling. From a hacker perspective it is incredible. On the other hand, this is all driven by a profoundly illiberal government that has no goals other than its own survival and that's supported by a lot of human misery, some might say slavery. I love using Apple products but it's hard to forget the conditions at places like Foxconn. Both sides think they are outflanking the other - the…
No, you are not attacking, but you really do not understand. Let me ask you a question. If Apple is assembling the iPhones in India, do you think the work condition is much better than that of Foxconn? And do you know that Foxconn is a Taiwanese company? Yes the Chinese government has their goals. They are corrupted and they do not care much about people. But, it's great they can offer great jobs to farmers assembling iPhones. Even though the work condition is so bad according to your standard.
Re: Shenzhen: The Silicon Valley of Hardware [video] (2016)
#4At least they don't bomb and destabilize the shit out of you. I think you have a skewed view of the worldwide reputation of the US.
Re: Shenzhen: The Silicon Valley of Hardware [video] (2016)
#5I find this fascinating and troubling. From a hacker perspective it is incredible. On the other hand, this is all driven by a profoundly illiberal government that has no goals other than its own survival and that's supported by a lot of human misery, some might say slavery. I love using Apple products but it's hard to forget the conditions at places like Foxconn. Both sides think they are outflanking the other - the…
No, you are not attacking, but you really do not understand. Let me ask you a question. If Apple is assembling the iPhones in India, do you think the work condition is much better than that of Foxconn? And do you know that Foxconn is a Taiwanese company? Yes the Chinese government has their goals. They are corrupted and they do not care much about people. But, it's great they can offer great jobs to farmers assemblin…
If Apple is assembling the iPhones in India, do you think the work condition is much better than that of Foxconn?
Probably not, but we can't really know this, and at least having a democratic government in theory provides some leverage. My argument is that paying incredibly low prices for technology has human costs and perhaps is not sustainable.
But, it's great they can offer great jobs to farmers assembling iPhones.
That's assuming farmers are happier on factory lines than they are working on their farms. Is there evidence to support this? Of course we can't and shouldn't keep China agrarian but Western consumerism is subsidizing some ugly stuff that wouldn't be possible without it.
China does not compete on an even playing field with many other countries because of poverty yes but also because its government is interested in development at all costs.
And yes, the West developed the same way but it doesn't mean it's ethical.
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#6At least they don't bomb and destabilize the shit out of you. I think you have a skewed view of the worldwide reputation of the US.
I tried very hard to avoid whataboutism in my post and I never defended the US.
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
I tried very hard to avoid whataboutism in my post and I never defended the US.
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Yes, because previously I stated:
It's easy to criticize the US government but Chinese hegemony might be far worse.
I thought that was enough to avoid defending the US, but I guess not.
Re: Shenzhen: The Silicon Valley of Hardware [video] (2016)
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
You editted
Yes, because previously I stated: It's easy to criticize the US government but Chinese hegemony might be far worse. I thought that was enough to avoid defending the US, but I guess not.
That is because in your whole post you fail to raise any significant point. It just a bit of hand-waving about the US being better than the Chinese.
It just oozes American Exceptionalism without any substance.
Re: Shenzhen: The Silicon Valley of Hardware [video] (2016)
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, because previously I stated: It's easy to criticize the US government but Chinese hegemony might be far worse. I thought that was enough to avoid defending the US, but I guess not.
That is because in your whole post you fail to raise any significant point. It just a bit of hand-waving about the US being better than the Chinese. It just oozes American Exceptionalism without any substance.