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Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

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Sometimes I dream that if I ever become very wealthy (either because of something I created or because I won the lottery) I would go around and donate some nice money to these under-appreciated developers/organizations/projects. I mean, if I had billions, wouldn't it be feasible to spend say 1M or even 0.5M to say, 100 projects? 200 maybe? Does this not happen or do we just not hear about it if it ever happens?

Most people would rather save 1,000 people from Malaria in Africa than give 1 white college educated man living in one of the richest counties on earth a year's salary to write code from his home office. (I am sure it happens, but I am sure that it is pretty low on the donation list)

If anyone's interested, here's a good article about how one billionaire decided to spend his money - on better science.

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/john-arnold-waging-war-on-bad-...

Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

#53

I beseech every Andrew Ngs ML course student to contribute a little. I just did.

I was on the edge of donating or not donating and your comment was just the tiny push that got me to give a little money.

Peer pressure works, apparently, at least sometimes.

Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

#54

I don't understand how YC can fund non-profits like VotePlz and the ACLU while not funding stuff like this. All of the startups funded by VCs use free software, often exclusively, but these VCs continue to refuse to adequately fund its development. Marc Andreessen even publicly boasted about how much OSS his companies use[1], which he of course doesn't pay for. I also shudder to think of how Eaton will fare on the jo…

You said it yourself—Octave isn't trendy or cool.

Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

#55

I don't understand how YC can fund non-profits like VotePlz and the ACLU while not funding stuff like this. All of the startups funded by VCs use free software, often exclusively, but these VCs continue to refuse to adequately fund its development. Marc Andreessen even publicly boasted about how much OSS his companies use[1], which he of course doesn't pay for. I also shudder to think of how Eaton will fare on the jo…

> Will he be whiteboarded?

I like the way you word it - it makes it sound like a form of torture.

Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

#56

This is not a scalable model of software funding. People may send you money today, because its on their minds, but bills will have to be paid again next month, and next year. Please get yourself, a Patreon account, or something similar. Meanwhile, I'm sure MathWorks is looking for people with exactly your domain knowledge[0]. https://www.mathworks.com/company/jobs/opportunities/?s_tid=...

Patreon is awesome, but it's not enough to pay the bills full-time for most people. That said...anyone who owns an open-source project, is the primary contributor of said project and sacrifices a significant amount of possible revenue at their job to contribute to the project should have a Patreon page where anyone who feels like they want to contribute can do so. It may not be your primary source of income, but gett…

It's a component of your income stream, not a complete solution.

If you're doing open-source software as a living it's essential you have:

1. Books: You should at the very least write the canonical book on using a package, tool or application you've written. Amazon residuals might not be high, but they're non-zero. The effort involved in writing a book is considerable but they can pay dividends for a long time. It's also something you can chip away at over time.

2. Patreon: You need some way of measuring community enthusiasm for your project and what better way than to see how much they're willing to pay for it. Reward tiers can also help by allowing more generous patrons to help with advice, like feature requests, early code review and so on. This builds engagement.

3. Support Contracts: These might be super obnoxious, customers can be very difficult, but if you're in it to win it you absolutely need to cover this off. At the very least offer incident-level consulting to get people out of a jam. Figure out what the hassle's worth and price accordingly. $200/hr? $500/hr?

4. Corporate Sponsorship: I like it when companies step up and help fund open-source software directly, like how Redis has been supported by various companies along its lifepan (https://redis.io/topics/sponsors). If you find a good partner it's not "selling out", it's validation that your project is meaningful. They'll respect your decisions and not interfere.

5. Talks: Get out there and talk about your project. At the very least make videos, or get people to make them for you, that introduce how your tools work, how they can be used, and where you're going with the project. Being a speaker at an event might be daunting for some, but it's a great way to make connections and find opportunities.

Too many developers want to focus on nothing but the code. That's not how the world works.

Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

#57

There's something fundamentally broken about the open-source model when you can invest so much time and npt get any sort of economic return. This seems like a huge limiting factor on open-source development. As I've pointed out in discussions on copyright issues, artists value copyright because the patronage model sucked - you're essentially dependent on people's charity and having to beg just to maintain basic econo…

That is because open source IS NOT an bussines model. is a distribution model (of code, instead of binary).

You need to plug the bussines model to sourcecode, similar how you need to plug one to binary.

Unfortunately, give source is in a lot of ways give the MOST SIGNIFICANT VALUABLE OUTPUT a programmer do.

Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

#58

This is not a scalable model of software funding. People may send you money today, because its on their minds, but bills will have to be paid again next month, and next year. Please get yourself, a Patreon account, or something similar. Meanwhile, I'm sure MathWorks is looking for people with exactly your domain knowledge[0]. https://www.mathworks.com/company/jobs/opportunities/?s_tid=...

Would you donate a recurring amount monthly to open-source software development?

Imagine a site that auto-bills your credit card every month. You can specify projects you want to support, or just support a portfolio of projects that someone else has devised.

If so, please fill out this quick survey. I'm curious if this idea has legs:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfXIqUqsfDoUplWeWYs...

Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

#59
post #35

There's something fundamentally broken about the open-source model when you can invest so much time and npt get any sort of economic return. This seems like a huge limiting factor on open-source development. As I've pointed out in discussions on copyright issues, artists value copyright because the patronage model sucked - you're essentially dependent on people's charity and having to beg just to maintain basic econo…

> because the patronage model sucked - you're essentially dependent on people's charity Also with copyright you are essentially dependent on people's willingness to pay.

Totally true but it's far easier to negotiate when you have a legally tangible asset for trade. Like if you express interest in buying my painting we might have different ideas on the price but there's no question about the basic idea that it could have a commercial value. If we lived in an earlier era and you commission a portrait of yourself or so it was quite questionable whether such things were even a commercial item.

Now digital distribution has upended the copyright model because you no longer need the resources of a publisher to distribute your work (good) but as creative work proliferates it's as hard as ever to polish and market it successfully and more difficult than it was to monetize (bad).

Of course it depends what you're doing. Some people make a fortune just yakking opinions into a webcam on YouTube or suchlike, and that's working out great for many many people. It's my bad luck that my tastes are a long way outside the mainstream and I'm not so brilliant that I can just crank out some commercial stuff on the side when I want cash.

Re: Looking for Work After 25 Years of Octave

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody has solved the micro-payment problem yet what is this problem?

I assume the parent is referring to the problem where it's prohibitively expensive (from a payment processing perspective) to receive lots of small, sub-dollar payments. Also there's a lot of friction if you're relying on your users to pull out their credit card info for such a small amount.

That part has been fixed by https://flattr.com/ You either prepay or setup a periodic payment and then just click the flattr badges whenever you want. They get funded from your flattr pool. No need for the card every time.

Unfortunately flattr didn't really take off.

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