Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia
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Bat fellatio causes a scandal in academia
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#2Ah. It doesn't actually say 'bad fellatio.'
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#3This is amazing. I think it may be situations like these that let some people dismiss actual sexual harassment. When you include completely innocent activities in sexual harassment, it damages the view of what sexual harassment really is (though he was cleared of any sexual harassment, he was still punished for it).
I have to imagine that this incident will harm the female colleague's reputation, which, if the story is accurate, it should.
You'd think medical scientists would be a bit more mature about sex.
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#4There seems to be an avoidable tension between men and women working together, researching bat fellatio, communicating with your colleagues, and strict regulations about sexual harassment.
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#5This is amazing. I think it may be situations like these that let some people dismiss actual sexual harassment. When you include completely innocent activities in sexual harassment, it damages the view of what sexual harassment really is (though he was cleared of any sexual harassment, he was still punished for it). I have to imagine that this incident will harm the female colleague's reputation, which, if the story…
It doesn't seem like it was completely innocent.
He was cleared of the "sexual harassment" charge but the investigation also concluded that "showing the paper was a joke with a sexual innuendo" (at least how I read that article). Depending on the relationship of the people involved, and what the innuendo really amounted to, it's hard to say. That at least seems unnecessary.
Using bat reproduction papers to hit on co-workers? a) Weak; b) Yes, one of them needs to be more mature about sex.
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#6This is amazing. I think it may be situations like these that let some people dismiss actual sexual harassment. When you include completely innocent activities in sexual harassment, it damages the view of what sexual harassment really is (though he was cleared of any sexual harassment, he was still punished for it). I have to imagine that this incident will harm the female colleague's reputation, which, if the story…
It doesn't seem like it was completely innocent. He was cleared of the "sexual harassment" charge but the investigation also concluded that "showing the paper was a joke with a sexual innuendo" (at least how I read that article). Depending on the relationship of the people involved, and what the innuendo really amounted to, it's hard to say. That at least seems unnecessary. Using bat reproduction papers to hit on co-…
Even supposing that it was sexual innuendo, that doesn't mean he was hitting on her. Straight men and women have conversations filled with sexual innuendo all the time.
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#7If someone's words make me "hurt and disgusted", does it mean I can have them "monitored and counseled" for two years and take away their tenure? Or do I have to be a woman to do that?
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#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn't seem like it was completely innocent. He was cleared of the "sexual harassment" charge but the investigation also concluded that "showing the paper was a joke with a sexual innuendo" (at least how I read that article). Depending on the relationship of the people involved, and what the innuendo really amounted to, it's hard to say. That at least seems unnecessary. Using bat reproduction papers to hit on co-…
Even supposing that it was sexual innuendo, that doesn't mean he was hitting on her. Straight men and women have conversations filled with sexual innuendo all the time.
Often inadvertently. It seems to be a feature of the human brain.
Anyone have more insight?
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#9If someone's words make me "hurt and disgusted", does it mean I can have them "monitored and counseled" for two years and take away their tenure? Or do I have to be a woman to do that?
In Ireland you have to be a woman. Also in Ireland if two underage teens have sex, the male is convicted of statutory rape while the female is the victim.
Another one for Ireland is recent introduction of some new blasphemy laws.
The Irish government is also attempting to censor the net there, lucky for most Irish people they're mostly incompetent.
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#10I went to UCC. While it's a fine university, with a lot of history and high aspirations, it's also quite small (approx 15000 students) with a small staff.
And in all these types of situations, if either has any political pull with the higher ups the whole thing can get blown out of proportion very quickly.
If Dylan Evans produced this paper with the sole purpose of harassing (of which he has been cleared) or offending the woman then they should go after him for wasting university time/money on pointless research.
If it is a legitimate paper and it was appropriate for him to show it to the woman, but she was offended by descriptions of bat fellatio then you've got to wonder what she's doing in the dept. of medicine? I'm sure there are far more offensive things out there and I would hate to have a researcher unwilling to look at those topics just because they're offensive to their sensibilities.
If it is a legitimate paper but it was not appropriate for him to show it to her (i.e. she expressed no interest in it and it's not part of her job) then you've got to question his motives. Was it just a "passing the dirty joke email around the office" type scenario, or was it "hey look at this interesting results I found" type scenario.
Regardless, he will now probably have to move universities as most institutions don't like their dirty laundry being aired in public (assuming it was he who made all of this public)