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The web sucks if you have a slow connection

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Re: The web sucks if you have a slow connection

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Post by alvarosevilla95 »

zeveb wrote: post #61
Jakob wrote: post #49

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Disable JavaScript. You’ll be surprised at how most of the web still works and is much faster. Longer battery life on mobile, too.

> You’ll be surprised at how most of the web still works and is much faster. And you'll be more secure, and you'll retain more of your privacy. I find 'this site requires JavaScript' to be another way of saying, 'the authors of this site don't care about you, your security or your privacy, and will gladly sell all three to the highest bidder.'

Or, they assumed everyone nowadays has a browser with javascript and don't care about people who won't accept to using js or even know about these people existing

Re: The web sucks if you have a slow connection

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Post by [deleted] »

zeveb wrote: post #61
Jakob wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disable JavaScript. You’ll be surprised at how most of the web still works and is much faster. Longer battery life on mobile, too.

> You’ll be surprised at how most of the web still works and is much faster. And you'll be more secure, and you'll retain more of your privacy. I find 'this site requires JavaScript' to be another way of saying, 'the authors of this site don't care about you, your security or your privacy, and will gladly sell all three to the highest bidder.'

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Re: The web sucks if you have a slow connection

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Post by [deleted] »

zeveb wrote: post #61
Jakob wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disable JavaScript. You’ll be surprised at how most of the web still works and is much faster. Longer battery life on mobile, too.

> You’ll be surprised at how most of the web still works and is much faster. And you'll be more secure, and you'll retain more of your privacy. I find 'this site requires JavaScript' to be another way of saying, 'the authors of this site don't care about you, your security or your privacy, and will gladly sell all three to the highest bidder.'

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Re: The web sucks if you have a slow connection

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Post by [deleted] »

zeveb wrote: post #61
Jakob wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disable JavaScript. You’ll be surprised at how most of the web still works and is much faster. Longer battery life on mobile, too.

> You’ll be surprised at how most of the web still works and is much faster. And you'll be more secure, and you'll retain more of your privacy. I find 'this site requires JavaScript' to be another way of saying, 'the authors of this site don't care about you, your security or your privacy, and will gladly sell all three to the highest bidder.'

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Re: The web sucks if you have a slow connection

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Post by Namrog84 »

ikeboy wrote: post #74

>When I was at Google, someone told me a story about a time that “they” completed a big optimization push only to find that measured page load times increased. When they dug into the data, they found that the reason load times had increased was that they got a lot more traffic from Africa after doing the optimizations. The team’s product went from being unusable for people with slow connections to usable, which cause…

This is a perfect example of why "average" metrics for such values aren't that great and are often overused as vanity metrics.

A nice chart showing how many users are in each bucket of load time would be far more useful. One that you could easily change the bucketsize from 0.1ms to 1 second and these types of 'digging' wouldn't even be a second thought.

Re: The web sucks if you have a slow connection

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Post by [deleted] »

zeveb wrote: post #61
Jakob wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disable JavaScript. You’ll be surprised at how most of the web still works and is much faster. Longer battery life on mobile, too.

> You’ll be surprised at how most of the web still works and is much faster. And you'll be more secure, and you'll retain more of your privacy. I find 'this site requires JavaScript' to be another way of saying, 'the authors of this site don't care about you, your security or your privacy, and will gladly sell all three to the highest bidder.'

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Re: The web sucks if you have a slow connection

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Post by tunap »

zeveb wrote: post #61
Jakob wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disable JavaScript. You’ll be surprised at how most of the web still works and is much faster. Longer battery life on mobile, too.

> You’ll be surprised at how most of the web still works and is much faster. And you'll be more secure, and you'll retain more of your privacy. I find 'this site requires JavaScript' to be another way of saying, 'the authors of this site don't care about you, your security or your privacy, and will gladly sell all three to the highest bidder.'

Cannot help but chuckle at the irony when I forget to allow goog/gstatic when using gmaps and get the non-blank-page stating "without js all that's left is a blank page".

Re: The web sucks if you have a slow connection

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Post by tomjen3 »

minikites wrote: post #12
meriobrudar wrote: post #4

Wow, really? Who knew overuse of JS and fancy graphical effects where they're not needed could negatively impact user experience? Could it be that all the web devs using 20 CDNs, cramming 900 frameworks, 100 externally provided analytics, advertisement providers and fancy layout eye-candy were wrong all along? What a surprise! I'm already sick when I have to visit a webpage and it won't even load ANYTHING if I don't…

>Wow, really? Who knew overuse of JS and fancy graphical effects where they're not needed could negatively impact user experience? Clearly not enough people, because it keeps happening. I think it would also help if people kept in mind that the internet is global, it isn't just for developed nations.

Even if your audience members are global, the west is going to be where most of your revenue streams are going to be. If you are facebook it may be worth optimizing for rural India, because they have few places left to grow, but for most companies it is just not worth it - and companies exist to make money.

Re: The web sucks if you have a slow connection

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Post by iLoch »

hyperpape wrote: post #62
iLoch wrote: post #46

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The concept behind Twitter? No. Twitter? Maybe..? They have a user experience they want to deliver to 9X% of their users, so they optimize for that. For most of Twitter's users, their connection speeds aren't the limiting factor in their experience. If you optimize for the lowest common denominator, that 9X% almost certainly gets a worse experience.

It's not always a tradeoff. Several sites stopped serving CSS during the Superbowl ( https://twitter.com/jensimmons/status/828415747625992192 ). At a smaller scale, the same thing happens to some sites that reach the HN front-page.

So a couple sites go down on a single day of the year because they were unprepared and suddenly it's a bad idea to depend on CSS?

Seems like costly optimization with almost no benefit to me.

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