Romania is developing its own culture of protests • Hacker News Board

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by petre » Wed, Feb 08, 2017, 6:18 PM UTC

paulnechifor wrote: post #76

rumcajz wrote: post #47

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Direct democracy could help here. Ask people whether they want to decriminalize corruption and even those who voted for populists are going to say no.

Are you sure about that? The president did trigger a referendum on this, but the ruling party jumped the gun and passed (and now revoked) this law before the referendum question was even finalized. The referendum will still go ahead. Even if you phrase the question as "Do you want to decriminalize corruption?", or a more probable "Do you agree with softening the legislation toward combating corruption?" a significant…

The Anticorruption Directorate is not biased. They just happened to catch more criminals out of PSD simply because PSD is ridden by criminals. It is the party of the former communist secret police and their friends, disguised as socialists.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by petre » Wed, Feb 08, 2017, 6:33 PM UTC

sirrocco wrote: post #49

oblio wrote: post #19

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If one of the first laws you try to pass is to legalize bribes lower than $50k to save your party leader and his cronies, it means that you deceived your voters.

Bribing was never on the table to be decriminalized, just negligence while serving in a public office.

Whoops, I just found $50k on my public office. I'll just take it out of negligence.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by petre » Wed, Feb 08, 2017, 6:43 PM UTC

adrian_b wrote: post #23

Sylphine wrote: post #5

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I think its awkward in both positions but the protesters have objectives. The "Victoria" protesters want to see the government formed in January to resign and the "Cotrocenii" protesters want for President Claus Iohannis to resign.

Always when such protests happen in Romania, all the TV shows and the other mass-media are invaded by various people, who benefit from the money stolen by the government, and who tell a huge number of lies designed to confuse the ignorant or weak-minded. Nevertheless, I was surprised to find such a person trying to influence an Internet forum in the USA, far from home. The lies said above by "Sylphine" are some of th…

2. Old, poor, uneducated, paid to protest and delivered by P$D party bus to Cotroceni Land theme park. It's just one of the same techniques used in the election theft some years ago that won the current P$D party leader his criminal record.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by petre » Wed, Feb 08, 2017, 6:52 PM UTC

garrettgrimsley wrote: post #59

CrystalLangUser wrote: post #20

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My parents fled Romania. What is the significance of that phrase?

During Ceaușescu's final speech he offered to raise the salary of workers by 200 lei per month to placate the rebelling crowd. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceau%C8%99escu%27s_final_speec...

Only you had nothing to buy with 200 lei aside from vinegar and bean jars or maybe save for a Dacia for which you'd have no gas because it was rationalized.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by petre » Wed, Feb 08, 2017, 6:57 PM UTC

Sylphine wrote: post #12

ropiku wrote: post #9

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I wouldn't put it like that. He encouraged anti-corruption protests, it's just that PSD decided to support corruption. Nobody is protesting the election results. The people continue to protest the current government because they showed themselves to be untrustworthy. They backed down right now under pressure but who says they won't give another executive order in the middle of the night when no one is looking ?

"He encouraged anti-corruption protests." This executive order was talked about with ECHR and Italy had a similar project this has nothing to do with corruption. source: http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Speech_20170127_Raimondi_J... http://www.reuters.com/article/us-italy-drugs-law-idUSBREA1B... "they won't give another executive order in the middle of the night when no one is looking ?" It has become self evident t…

Italy. Another country previously ran by the Mafia.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by petre » Wed, Feb 08, 2017, 7:23 PM UTC

delegate wrote: post #29

We're seeing another "social media revolution" - fuelled by Facebook (et al) on one side and old-school TV stations controlled by local oligarchs on the other. Young, high tech, well-dressed, global 'hipsters' who live online versus older people, mostly rural, former communists, peasants or factory workers, who have no hope of adapting to the new incomprehensible tech world around them. People from the first group wo…

There were plenty of elderly protesters as well in the anti gov't anti corruption camp. Not the vast majority but at least 15 to 20% over 50. They don't have Facebook, they're not aging hippie liberal douche, they're just sick of crooked politicians.