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Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by samsonradu »

petre wrote: post #86
samsonradu wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, they get older, poorer (since our retirement plans are terrible) and in need of the socialist measures which our left party promises.

They expect a benevolent dictator and/or a nanny state to do stuff for them, give them a job, a roof over their heads, food etc. This is how they were raised and educated during communism. They did not and will not adapt to capitalism and the free market. The leftist klepto mafia party PSD promised things to these people in exchange for their votes. They are screwing up those who work or at least try to make an hones…

Firstly I'd like not to attack any party in paticular, all have done bad things in the past years.

Life seems easy when you are young and educated but for old people it is hard to keep up with the pace of technology, even if they are educated. The abrupt transition to capitalism didn't help either. This is a common issue in many countries, not just ex-communist ones. Old people need a safety net and Romania has it broken.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by samsonradu »

rumcajz wrote: post #47
samsonradu wrote: post #37

I had a very positive feeling about the people's atitude and what they achieved by protesting, considering that the government did a terrible thing from all points of view. There was probably no other way to roll it back but for how things went. However I'm concerned though that the majority of people misuse their voting power and make bad choices. It happened that the oposition wanted to stop this and all the media…

Direct democracy could help here. Ask people whether they want to decriminalize corruption and even those who voted for populists are going to say no.

I'm not sure this would help, as the sibling comment pointed out. I only see one solution on the long term. It's focusing on the education of our young generation, and here I'm looking at kids from a very young age.

During the past 2 decades Romania has been neglecting education big time. Teachers had terrible salaries, corruption was present even in our highest ranked colleges and institutions. Education quality has been degrading throughout this entire time and we need to make that a priority.

Then there is also the psychological aspect of it. We need to make school and education look cool again. We need to use proper role-models for children, like the Americans use Silicon Valley stars to show how success looks like. Meanwhile every time I turn on the TV here I see high-profile millionaires, going to or out of prison, giving preaches about what do to in life and how to outsmart others. These are the popular figures presented by our media.

Mostly, in Romania, education was never cool, work was never cool, paying taxes was damn right stupid and making millions of $ illegally was regarded with admiration. If we can change that our future looks better already.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by nonick »

stefantalpalaru wrote: post #53
Sylphine wrote: post #3

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Our president Claus Iohannis has started a war with the winning party PSD. He encouraged people to protest against PSD and now supporters of PSD are protesting against Iohannis. I'm ashamed by my country but hey it could be worse.

> Claus Iohannis The most ridiculous adaptation I've seen so far. The guy's name is German and it was originally spelled "Klaus Johannis". During the presidential election, he changed his last name's spelling to "Iohannis" to make it seem more Romanian, even though the German minority in Romania has always been held in high regard (yes, positive ethnic stereotypes do exist). I guess the next step would be "Claudiu Io…

Actually, his name was always Iohannis, because in the communist period (when he was born) the state would try and romanize all foreign names. I know quite a few Hungarians in my home town who were given untranslatable Hungarian names just to avoid having their name translated to Romanian. The same happened during the Austro-Hungarian rule of Transylvania (<1918) but, of course, the other way round. Back to the President, indeed he used Johannis before the election because his family has always been called like that. Since going into the election campaign he switched to the official spelling that would appear on the ballot and in all the documents that he signs.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by owaislone »

padrian2s wrote: post #84

Hello World! From Romania. I am 37yr old and for the last 13yr software developer. That's why I'm writing on HN, my primary SRC of information for the last 7 yr. First of all, please look at Romania, look what we are doing and for what we are fighting and do a _replicate_ on your Country IIf your Gov does not respect your primary rights or you feel that your nation is going into the wrong direction. (America, Poland…

Obviously The Netherlands is 2nd. Romania can be 3rd. Okay? It'll be great. Trust me.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by owaislone »

vijayr wrote: post #85
oblio wrote: post #17

To be honest I'm quite proud how the protests went. More akin to Ghandi's protests than to rioters burning cars. It's going to be a long struggle but thankfully the groups most supportive of populism and therefore corruption are older (>50).

I can't remember where I read this, but there was this unique protest in Japan in a shoe factory. The workers made only one half of shoes (they made shoes only for the left leg). Technically they were working, but also protesting - all without making noise! What would be the software equivalent of this? disable half the buttons on a page? :P

That would be writing code but blocking it from getting shipped.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by petre »

samsonradu wrote: post #91
petre wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They expect a benevolent dictator and/or a nanny state to do stuff for them, give them a job, a roof over their heads, food etc. This is how they were raised and educated during communism. They did not and will not adapt to capitalism and the free market. The leftist klepto mafia party PSD promised things to these people in exchange for their votes. They are screwing up those who work or at least try to make an hones…

Firstly I'd like not to attack any party in paticular, all have done bad things in the past years. Life seems easy when you are young and educated but for old people it is hard to keep up with the pace of technology, even if they are educated. The abrupt transition to capitalism didn't help either. This is a common issue in many countries, not just ex-communist ones. Old people need a safety net and Romania has it br…

The issue here is corruption, not socialism. Socialism is just another pretext for legalized theft: give the elderly inadaptable and the nostalgics some breadcrumbs to keep them busy while the politicians steal the bread factory.

I'm attacking the party that has more members with criminal records than all others combined. An organized criminal gang controls this praty. The president of the Chamber of Deputies who's also the president of this party already has a criminal record for election tampering and is currently under investigation for abuse of power. The president of the Senate is currently under investigation for perjury and aiding the felon. This is without even counting the many members of their parties who have been prosecuted and/or sent to jail.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by padrian2s »

owaislone wrote: post #94
padrian2s wrote: post #84

Hello World! From Romania. I am 37yr old and for the last 13yr software developer. That's why I'm writing on HN, my primary SRC of information for the last 7 yr. First of all, please look at Romania, look what we are doing and for what we are fighting and do a _replicate_ on your Country IIf your Gov does not respect your primary rights or you feel that your nation is going into the wrong direction. (America, Poland…

Obviously The Netherlands is 2nd. Romania can be 3rd. Okay? It'll be great. Trust me.

Okay! It'll be great.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by ordinary »

mason240 wrote: post #88
mtgx wrote: post #27

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Most of the media is only interested in covering "violent protests" so they can help their buddies in power by discrediting the protesters. Those who watched the U.S. elections closely in 2015 and 2016 already know the media had zero interest in covering real issues, and they would much rather do a one-day marathon about Trump calling someone a pussy. And now the same media blames the Russians or whoever that Trump i…

The violent protesters are the ones discrediting themselves. It's troubling that you don't want this information reported on.

When, say, 100000 people are out on the street protesting something (anything), and 5 of them throw a chair through a window, then yes, I would prefer the media to focus on the 99995 who engaged in peaceful protest. Those 5 do not just discredit themselves, but in the eyes of the people who weren't there, they discredit the entire protest. By focusing on a handful of black bloc anarchists rather than the overwhelmingly peaceful majority, the media intentionally or unintentionally aids those in power.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by petre »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #70
yongjik wrote: post #63

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Well, to be fair, Korea's protests have been going on for several months now. Even the impeachment hearings(?) have been going on for almost two months. So there's not much news that would interest foreigners: "In another news, Koreans gathered for 12th straight time this weekend, two more officers were jailed, and Choi Soonsil denied every allegation for the upteenth time. Next..."

Makes me wish for a "news service" that would display each story as a timeline with well-marked important points, so that one could see what things are still happening even though they fell off the regular news cycle...

The Guardian and BBC has such timelines but only on important events like Brexit.
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