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Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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Post by rameshdsouza »

andrewvijay wrote: post #25
alokyadav15 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about 1948,1986,1992,2013... Riots , why always whining about Gujrat or you think that only in gujrat riots politicians were involved ?

They are not the prime ministers now. The context that we are talking here is about the current govt. If the previous govts had lots of wrong doers then it doesnt mean the current govt doing the same is okay. Get your priorities straight.

Using the same argument - we shouldn't discredit those crimes and criminals just because they are not prime ministers or chief ministers now. Get your priorities right.

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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Post by andrewvijay »

alokyadav15 wrote: post #29
andrewvijay wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not the prime ministers now. The context that we are talking here is about the current govt. If the previous govts had lots of wrong doers then it doesnt mean the current govt doing the same is okay. Get your priorities straight.

> If the previous govts had lots of wrong doers then it doesnt mean the current govt doing the same is okay . Supreme court of India gave clean chit to Modi [0]. second here context is Indian Politicians not current Indian govt. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Narendra-Modi-gets-...

dude. Im not even saying he is guilty here!! Why are you so insecure? Im just stating what had happened. I really dont give a shit about modi to care about him or his acts. You started typing without even reading the comment?

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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Post by andrewvijay »

rameshdsouza wrote: post #31
andrewvijay wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not the prime ministers now. The context that we are talking here is about the current govt. If the previous govts had lots of wrong doers then it doesnt mean the current govt doing the same is okay. Get your priorities straight.

Using the same argument - we shouldn't discredit those crimes and criminals just because they are not prime ministers or chief ministers now. Get your priorities right.

Im not discrediting them. WHy are you a couple of guys here defending against no offence here? :D Its really funny to see you bringing up random things wildly out of context here. Stop embarrassing yourself man!

The topic was about criminals and I have stated some facts related to the current govt. There are no accusations here. Your insecurity is showing when you vehemently defend against something that was not even said. Any comments on this would not be entertained anymore. I have a life man.

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

#34

Post by aisofteng »

anondon wrote: post #11
kumarm wrote: post #3

The Article doesn't cover basics of Criminality of Indian Politicians. These are just two example in last week from 1 south Indian state caught on camera (Because Local media would not cover since pretty much media in state supports ruling party): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOueUSVSuYk [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hG2fqW-tcM [2] Very rarely criminality of Indian politicians comes out because Media do not…

The videos you linked were so hard to watch. > India is a land of lawlessness and that's a reality. It's a little more subtle : well connected people to whatever they want and get away with no consequences. People who dare to oppose these powerful people discover the true meaning of hell. It's true practically everywhere in the world including the US. IMO for all the shit that social networks receive (for good reason…

>People who dare to oppose these powerful people discover the true meaning of hell. It's true practically everywhere in the world including the US.

It can be true in the US, but it definitely is not the norm. This statement rings false. For all the problems the US has, yes including corruption in some places, it is almost entirely unique in its freedom of speech and its allowance for political opposition without fear of retribution as a modus operandi.

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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Post by rameshdsouza »

rameshdsouza wrote: post #31
andrewvijay wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not the prime ministers now. The context that we are talking here is about the current govt. If the previous govts had lots of wrong doers then it doesnt mean the current govt doing the same is okay. Get your priorities straight.

Using the same argument - we shouldn't discredit those crimes and criminals just because they are not prime ministers or chief ministers now. Get your priorities right.

@andrewvijay, It's really funny that you keep showing your insecurity and selective bias, by pushing your propaganda. Get a life man.

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

#36

Post by sonink »

sg47 wrote: post #5

I have another theory. You don't get votes in India. You buy them. A wannabe politician needs a lot of money to win an election. Criminals who have made money through bootlegging or by beating up people have a leg up in this respect. Once they get to power, they indulge in corruption to pay off the people who helped them win and to save for the next election. The next election, they have more money to pay the average…

How do you buy votes if the ballot is secret ?

Not saying that people don't try, and there is that odd politician who does come only from money. By and large most chief ministers victory can be explained not by money, but more by identity/group based politics.

This is pretty much also exactly the same to what happens in the US.

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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Post by sonink »

Article sounds racist, but this is the economist after all.

Here is the thing - If you look at the past 5 Prime Ministers of India and compare them to the past 5 Presidents of the US, you will find that India more or less throws up much better candidates than the US for the top spot.

If Indian politicians had such a criminal record, this would be unlikely the case.

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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Post by peteretep »

anondon wrote: post #11
kumarm wrote: post #3

The Article doesn't cover basics of Criminality of Indian Politicians. These are just two example in last week from 1 south Indian state caught on camera (Because Local media would not cover since pretty much media in state supports ruling party): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOueUSVSuYk [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hG2fqW-tcM [2] Very rarely criminality of Indian politicians comes out because Media do not…

The videos you linked were so hard to watch. > India is a land of lawlessness and that's a reality. It's a little more subtle : well connected people to whatever they want and get away with no consequences. People who dare to oppose these powerful people discover the true meaning of hell. It's true practically everywhere in the world including the US. IMO for all the shit that social networks receive (for good reason…

    > well connected people to whatever
    > they want and get away with no
    > consequences

    > It's true practically everywhere
    > in the world
With the occasional glaring exception (Jimmy Savile, for example) I simply don't believe that's true in most of Western Europe.

The press, the judiciary, the police, and the civil service are strong institutions. Reading up on "Plebgate" will give you a feel for the truly pedestrian nature of power abuse in the UK, and what happens when the police go rogue.

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

#39

Post by andrewvijay »

sg47 wrote: post #5

I have another theory. You don't get votes in India. You buy them. A wannabe politician needs a lot of money to win an election. Criminals who have made money through bootlegging or by beating up people have a leg up in this respect. Once they get to power, they indulge in corruption to pay off the people who helped them win and to save for the next election. The next election, they have more money to pay the average…

This theory is mostly true.

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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Post by peteretep »

sonink wrote: post #36
sg47 wrote: post #5

I have another theory. You don't get votes in India. You buy them. A wannabe politician needs a lot of money to win an election. Criminals who have made money through bootlegging or by beating up people have a leg up in this respect. Once they get to power, they indulge in corruption to pay off the people who helped them win and to save for the next election. The next election, they have more money to pay the average…

How do you buy votes if the ballot is secret ? Not saying that people don't try, and there is that odd politician who does come only from money. By and large most chief ministers victory can be explained not by money, but more by identity/group based politics. This is pretty much also exactly the same to what happens in the US.

    > How do you buy votes if
    > the ballot is secret?
Is this a rhetorical question?

The answer is by distributing 2,000INR notes to people and transporting them to the polling station, relying on reciprocity and promising more to come if you get elected.

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