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The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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Post by r00fus »

elmerfud wrote: post #8

DHS is a department created with the intention of being evil and removing freedoms. Before jumping to this massive power grab coup conclusion by potus, people really need to understand how bad DHS is. All the information is out there documenting their abuses of the freedoms of the citizens and noncitizens of the USA. It is not something new with the Trump administration. They routinely ignore courts, even the supreme…

> and neither Bush nor Obama could keep them under control

The Bush administration created the DHS.

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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Post by mikeash »

pdx wrote: post #19
mikeash wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was not a public statement, but was used behind the scenes. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/29/tr...

Hearsay evidence from Giuliani, as told to us by The Washington Post. Are you aware that Jeff Bezos controls the Washington Post, and is rapidly anti-Trump? It is clear to many that the Washington Post has a leaning in all of it's political journalism that borders on MSNBC levels of bias. Got anything else?

I doubt Giuliani was misquoted, or he would have trumpeted it from the rooftops. So your complaints about the Post don't come into it. I think Giuliani can be believed here.

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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Post by r00fus »

wwwdonohue wrote: post #5

Except all of the actual journalism being done on the Trump administration suggests incompetence, not malice, to be at the heart of its struggles.

Does it matter if it's evil or extreme incompetence? Grey's law applies - they have the same result.

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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Post by narrowrail »

pdx wrote: post #19
mikeash wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was not a public statement, but was used behind the scenes. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/29/tr...

Hearsay evidence from Giuliani, as told to us by The Washington Post. Are you aware that Jeff Bezos controls the Washington Post, and is rapidly anti-Trump? It is clear to many that the Washington Post has a leaning in all of it's political journalism that borders on MSNBC levels of bias. Got anything else?

There is a video of Giuliani saying these things, so if you would like to see it, just do a search. In fact, it is a (possibly the) critical argument being made in the legal case this evening.

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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Post by legostormtroopr »

mikeash wrote: post #20
pdx wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Obviously it needs to be expanded. As is often mentioned, Saudi Arabia should be included because of 9/11. This woman was from Pakistan which suffers terrible internal terrorism problems. While the government of Pakistan is great, there is obviously a terrorism problem in that country. It seems like perhaps that would be grounds to make Pakistan another possible 'country of concern'.

The government is great? Are you talking about the same Pakistan that sheltered Osama bin Laden for a decade and regularly sends terrorists into India?

Yes, the same Pakistan that after harboring another terrorist for 8 years, quickly arrested him to prevent getting put on that same "countries of concern" list.

The migration halt inconvenienced 100 or so people, but it has had a much bigger (almost positive) impact in ways people are ignoring so they can call Trump Hitler.

He isn't exterminating people, he just said "look this area of the world is in crisis, we don't want that here so stop coming" and this is making everyone else pull up and start doing stuff.

That seems like its doing some good, and isn't just "outright evil" as you called it.

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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Post by mikeash »

legostormtroopr wrote: post #25
mikeash wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government is great? Are you talking about the same Pakistan that sheltered Osama bin Laden for a decade and regularly sends terrorists into India?

Yes, the same Pakistan that after harboring another terrorist for 8 years, quickly arrested him to prevent getting put on that same "countries of concern" list. The migration halt inconvenienced 100 or so people, but it has had a much bigger (almost positive) impact in ways people are ignoring so they can call Trump Hitler. He isn't exterminating people, he just said "look this area of the world is in crisis, we don'…

Tens of thousands of people had their visas revoked. The only thing that mitigated it was the courts putting a stop to it quickly. Saying it only inconvenienced a hundred people is not only wrong, it wouldn't even be a defense of the order if it was right.

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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Post by elmerfud »

r00fus wrote: post #21
elmerfud wrote: post #8

DHS is a department created with the intention of being evil and removing freedoms. Before jumping to this massive power grab coup conclusion by potus, people really need to understand how bad DHS is. All the information is out there documenting their abuses of the freedoms of the citizens and noncitizens of the USA. It is not something new with the Trump administration. They routinely ignore courts, even the supreme…

> and neither Bush nor Obama could keep them under control The Bush administration created the DHS.

Yes, which is why I listed him. It should underscore the problem with them being out of control when even the president who pushed for their creation couldn't curtail their abuses.

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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Post by jokermatt999 »

pdx wrote: post #19
mikeash wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was not a public statement, but was used behind the scenes. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/29/tr...

Hearsay evidence from Giuliani, as told to us by The Washington Post. Are you aware that Jeff Bezos controls the Washington Post, and is rapidly anti-Trump? It is clear to many that the Washington Post has a leaning in all of it's political journalism that borders on MSNBC levels of bias. Got anything else?

Giuliani literally said on Fox News. Watch the actual video, don't just complain about media bias. The evidence is right there in the linked article.

“I'll tell you the whole history of it,” Giuliani responded eagerly. “So when [Trump] first announced it, he said, 'Muslim ban.' He called me up. He said, 'Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.' "

Better source for you?

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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Post by vorotato »

legostormtroopr wrote: post #3

By "immigration ban", did you mean "90 immigration halt based on countries flagged as dangerous by the previous administration, that has been able to encourage Saudi Arabia to sign up for a Mid-East safe zone for refugees to help keep them closer to their homes and families[0] as well as encourage Pakistan to arrest a known terrorist who killed 100 Indians and has been free for 8 years[1]"? What Trump did was disrupt…

Well there was also the roughly 100000 who lost visas. This came out when the state of Virginia sued the administration. Nonpartisan news doesn't just mean facts that you agree with, but not facts you don't agree with.
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