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Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by sysdyne »

chimen wrote: post #34
Sylphine wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Cotroceni not Cotrocenii and Klaus not Claus" I'd like to remind you that I'm not a bundle of CPU and memory working perfectly 24/7 and the same thing is true for you. Moving on to important things. "It's a well known fact that Cotroceni protesters are mostly poor and retired old people and they went there because they received some incentives" You seem to forget that the coalition PSD + ALDE won by a majority and t…

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. Yes they are many. They voted and the winners tried to go far beyond the original plan for which they got voted in the first place - securing their own safety first by trying to lower the bars on the law so they can sneak under the radar.

> a government should be only focused on their campaign plan

Oh, boy!

I hope you never get in a managerial position and while you are at it read the ordinance

http://www.dreptonline.ro/legislatie/oug_13_2017_modificare_...

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by jklontz »

Florin_Andrei wrote: post #57
oblio wrote: post #17

To be honest I'm quite proud how the protests went. More akin to Ghandi's protests than to rioters burning cars. It's going to be a long struggle but thankfully the groups most supportive of populism and therefore corruption are older (>50).

> It's going to be a long struggle but thankfully the groups most supportive of populism and therefore corruption are older (>50). On the flip side, this might be just the natural shift in people's political views as they get older. I mean, the same argument is made by liberals in the US, forgetting that people simply become more conservative as they are aging.

I've seen this argument made a lot, but have never found it convincing. Is there any empirical evidence to back it up? A quick Google search suggests it is a myth.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by yongjik »

baby wrote: post #26

It's interesting that you currently have one of the largest "political" peaceful demonstrations in the world right now in Korea and in Romania and not many people are talking about it. (I'm happy to see this bit of news on HN.)

Well, to be fair, Korea's protests have been going on for several months now. Even the impeachment hearings(?) have been going on for almost two months. So there's not much news that would interest foreigners: "In another news, Koreans gathered for 12th straight time this weekend, two more officers were jailed, and Choi Soonsil denied every allegation for the upteenth time. Next..."

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by rocgf »

Sylphine wrote: post #15
rocgf wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but I think you left out the fact that, at its peak, there were 300k "Victoria" protesters and 3k "Cotroceni" protesters. The "Cotroceni" protests are a joke.

You seem to forget that we live in a representative democracy. When the government was formed (PSD + ALDE) in January it won by a majority and there are no reasonable facts on why the government should resign. I want to remind you that when the "Colective" horror happened the government resigned (PSD) but when a similar incident happened in the USA the president or any government official didn't resign. If you think…

If anything, you're proving my point.

Since PSD was voted by so many people and is in the right, why isn't there any significant counter-protest?

If PSD would've governed by sticking to their political principles, their proposed agenda and within reason, there would've never been any protests. Sure, people would be upset because they have different political views, but you would've never seen 600k people on the streets.

Democracy is not a blank cheque and your argument of "they won fair and square" does not allow them to send us back into the dark ages ESPECIALLY for their own very specific interests.

If you think there's anything wrong with my logic above, then you're probably a lost case.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by GoToRO »

PunchTornado wrote: post #2

It is always a bit awkward to stop a protest once you achieved your primary goal. You are now a lot of people in the streets, with a lot of power, the government backs off. Should you ask for more or stick to the original requests that are now satisfied?

Primary goal was not achieved. They patched the original buggy law with another buggy law. When the second law will be invalidated, the first will take effect.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by samsonradu »

Florin_Andrei wrote: post #57
oblio wrote: post #17

To be honest I'm quite proud how the protests went. More akin to Ghandi's protests than to rioters burning cars. It's going to be a long struggle but thankfully the groups most supportive of populism and therefore corruption are older (>50).

> It's going to be a long struggle but thankfully the groups most supportive of populism and therefore corruption are older (>50). On the flip side, this might be just the natural shift in people's political views as they get older. I mean, the same argument is made by liberals in the US, forgetting that people simply become more conservative as they are aging.

Right, they get older, poorer (since our retirement plans are terrible) and in need of the socialist measures which our left party promises.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by alexgotoi »

jjawssd wrote: post #66

The very first question people should be asking is if these are organic protests or part of something bigger.

As one of the firsts protestants, I can tell you that is an organic one. Everyone is sharing the same scope: fight against corruption in RO.

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by paulnechifor »

Florin_Andrei wrote: post #57
oblio wrote: post #17

To be honest I'm quite proud how the protests went. More akin to Ghandi's protests than to rioters burning cars. It's going to be a long struggle but thankfully the groups most supportive of populism and therefore corruption are older (>50).

> It's going to be a long struggle but thankfully the groups most supportive of populism and therefore corruption are older (>50). On the flip side, this might be just the natural shift in people's political views as they get older. I mean, the same argument is made by liberals in the US, forgetting that people simply become more conservative as they are aging.

I really doubt it. Older people in Romania (not all but many) are nostalgic about communism. They'll say things like "sure you couldn't say what you thought, but everybody had jobs, houses, etc".

They miss having things decided for them, they miss having a life long job (which only works because the government plans the economy), they miss news about how everything in Romania is well and getting better and how horrible things outside of Romania are.

But some things are the same. The ruling party (successors of the communist party) won on a message of "foreigners are trying to control Romania" and look at how many foreign sounding names in have in politics (including the current president who is an ethnic German).

Re: Romania is developing its own culture of protests

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Post by TeMPOraL »

yongjik wrote: post #63
baby wrote: post #26

It's interesting that you currently have one of the largest "political" peaceful demonstrations in the world right now in Korea and in Romania and not many people are talking about it. (I'm happy to see this bit of news on HN.)

Well, to be fair, Korea's protests have been going on for several months now. Even the impeachment hearings(?) have been going on for almost two months. So there's not much news that would interest foreigners: "In another news, Koreans gathered for 12th straight time this weekend, two more officers were jailed, and Choi Soonsil denied every allegation for the upteenth time. Next..."

Makes me wish for a "news service" that would display each story as a timeline with well-marked important points, so that one could see what things are still happening even though they fell off the regular news cycle...
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