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Re: MongoDB 3.4.0-rc3

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Post by hendzen »

ralfn wrote: post #46
BillFinchDba wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if you look back objectively, there are very few database platforms that were absolutely "fit for public consumption" right out of the box. Look at all the SQL Server shops out there (mine included) that won't even roll out a new version of SQL Server until it hits SP 1 at a minimum... For MongoDB, If you look forward based on what they are doing now rather than at how early adopters may have had a sub-optima…

Not the OP, but RethinkDB is superior in many ways including stability, integrity and the feature set for pretty much every use case you would consider using MongoDB. But with Jespen tests MongoDB can finally be considered a contender. Its not like competent teams were using it in production. Right?

Do you not consider Stripe to be a competent team?

Please, name some F500 companies using RethinkDB to power critical infrastructure. There are many using MongoDB. While Rethink is widely renowned among the HN set it is nonexistent in comparison when looking at actual deployments.

The reigning HN view of MongoDB being a buggy mess is outdated. Yes, they overmarketed a buggy project in 2009. It didn't matter, because they built a product that developers loved (and continue to love) to use. RethinkDB didn't aggressively market itself, and look where it is now - defunct. Mongo used that momentum to raise money and hire an incredible engineering team, including Keith Bostic, one of the fathers of Unix, and Michael Cahill, the inventor of the transaction isolation mechanism used in Postgres. Sometimes you need to employ aggressive business tactics to get to a point where you have the engineering resources to build a world class project. Moreso when you need to catch up to millions of man hours spent building Oracle and MSSQL.

Re: MongoDB 3.4.0-rc3

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Post by redtree »

rocky1138 wrote: post #40

Why would anyone use MongoDB when RethinkDB is available?

"Over a third of the Fortune 100 and many of the most successful and innovative web companies rely on MongoDB. "

taken from their page : https://www.mongodb.com/mongodb-scale

This should give people some insight on why MongoDB is being used in the industry.

Re: MongoDB 3.4.0-rc3

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Post by jasondc »

ralfn wrote: post #46
BillFinchDba wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if you look back objectively, there are very few database platforms that were absolutely "fit for public consumption" right out of the box. Look at all the SQL Server shops out there (mine included) that won't even roll out a new version of SQL Server until it hits SP 1 at a minimum... For MongoDB, If you look forward based on what they are doing now rather than at how early adopters may have had a sub-optima…

Not the OP, but RethinkDB is superior in many ways including stability, integrity and the feature set for pretty much every use case you would consider using MongoDB. But with Jespen tests MongoDB can finally be considered a contender. Its not like competent teams were using it in production. Right?

Lots of hyperbole in your statement. Indeed lists 6200 job listings for mongodb[1], 37 for rethinkdb[2].

[1] https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=mongodb&l= [2] https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=rethinkdb&l=

Re: MongoDB 3.4.0-rc3

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Post by josephg »

BillFinchDba wrote: post #36
radicalbyte wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given their start point (a product unfit for public consumption) that is the absolute minimum they need to do. I at least will never trust Mongo for anything but a toy project. There are so many better options out there, options whose technical capabilities are as good as Mongo's marketing.

I think if you look back objectively, there are very few database platforms that were absolutely "fit for public consumption" right out of the box. Look at all the SQL Server shops out there (mine included) that won't even roll out a new version of SQL Server until it hits SP 1 at a minimum... For MongoDB, If you look forward based on what they are doing now rather than at how early adopters may have had a sub-optima…

Right out of the box? Mongodb has been trying to get it right for 10 years now. Kyle says the storage engine they've used for most of that lifetime is fundamentally flawed, and they've only now, a decade on, managed to write something without known bugs to replace it. And maybe this time it's ok. Maybe this time there aren't any more layers of buggy crap in mongo yet to be found and fixed.

Maybe. But you'd have lost that bet if you made it any day in the last 10 years. And in those 10 years mongodb has demonstrated again and again that they aren't up to the task of writing a reliable database. Even with their new storage engine they couldn't find the bugs alone.

I think using mongo today for any mission critical data is an irresponsible choice. I'd seriously question the judgement of any senior engineer who picks it for a new project over rethinkdb or Postgres.

Re: MongoDB 3.4.0-rc3

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Post by joering2 »

tbrock wrote: post #12

MongoDB receives a fair amount of criticism here but the company is a fantastic place to work. I'm proud that I was able to learn and grow as a developer alongside all of those who have been trying (and succeeding) to make a great database. The team at MongoDB really cares a lot about making the best database product possible. I knew it when I was there and still think so after I've left.

I really wanted to make it work! But out of the box on Centos distribution it doesn't.

Its open to anyone by default, eats all memory and then crashes! I had it on and off my machine in less than one week and won't plan to go back.

Re: MongoDB 3.4.0-rc3

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Post by josephg »

jasondc wrote: post #54
ralfn wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the OP, but RethinkDB is superior in many ways including stability, integrity and the feature set for pretty much every use case you would consider using MongoDB. But with Jespen tests MongoDB can finally be considered a contender. Its not like competent teams were using it in production. Right?

Lots of hyperbole in your statement. Indeed lists 6200 job listings for mongodb[1], 37 for rethinkdb[2]. [1] https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=mongodb&l= [2] https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=rethinkdb&l=

Rethinkdb is still the new database on the block, and never really found it's feet. Look up Postgres, Cassandra, Kafka, Riak, MySQL/Mariadb or MSSQL. (Or dare I say it, oracle). All of those tools have a long history of reliability and solid engineering.
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