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Silicon Valley Hedge Fund Takes on Wall Street with AI Trader

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Re: Silicon Valley Hedge Fund Takes on Wall Street with AI Trader

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Haven't wall street firms been doing this for decades now? I remember 10 years ago I created a trading algorithm that ran by itself without my intervention. I fail to see what is different about this company than some generic quant hedge fund.

They use "the field of artificial intelligence known as machine learning" duh. "Big Data" and "Data Science" weren't around 10 years ago /s

Re: Silicon Valley Hedge Fund Takes on Wall Street with AI Trader

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post #21

The clickbait headline is amusing, but "Wall Street" has been doing this > 10 years. I'm genuinely not sure if they're trying to "beat wall street" or simply be yet another quantitative hedge fund that happens to use machine learning and neural networks to power their strategies. Most real electronic trading firms are putting those algorithms in hardware. Source: Have worked in HFT the past 10 years.

Machine learning and neural networks?

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

Re: Silicon Valley Hedge Fund Takes on Wall Street with AI Trader

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post #23
post #21

The clickbait headline is amusing, but "Wall Street" has been doing this > 10 years. I'm genuinely not sure if they're trying to "beat wall street" or simply be yet another quantitative hedge fund that happens to use machine learning and neural networks to power their strategies. Most real electronic trading firms are putting those algorithms in hardware. Source: Have worked in HFT the past 10 years.

Longer than that. This article was passed around at my job to laugh at.

Definitely much longer - I'm pretty sure I read about things like this in Omni Magazine back in the 1980s...

Re: Silicon Valley Hedge Fund Takes on Wall Street with AI Trader

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post #21

The clickbait headline is amusing, but "Wall Street" has been doing this > 10 years. I'm genuinely not sure if they're trying to "beat wall street" or simply be yet another quantitative hedge fund that happens to use machine learning and neural networks to power their strategies. Most real electronic trading firms are putting those algorithms in hardware. Source: Have worked in HFT the past 10 years.

HFT is a different kind of 'beating the market', though, don't you think?

It isn't beating the market, it is literally "making the market":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_maker

Re: Silicon Valley Hedge Fund Takes on Wall Street with AI Trader

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post #21

The clickbait headline is amusing, but "Wall Street" has been doing this > 10 years. I'm genuinely not sure if they're trying to "beat wall street" or simply be yet another quantitative hedge fund that happens to use machine learning and neural networks to power their strategies. Most real electronic trading firms are putting those algorithms in hardware. Source: Have worked in HFT the past 10 years.

I used to have a stock broker co-worker who had one rule for investing if day trading or even trying to employ a strategy: "You can't fight the Street."

His point was trying to bet against a momentum trade or some other scenario was foolish. He watched time and again. There were opportunities to get with the crowd, or be on the wrong side.

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post #13

I just checked out glassdoor, and it seems like they don't know what their product should be since top execs don't want to agree on anything. > We have too many executives for a company this size - most don't add much value except for fighting with each other and politicizing issues. The CEO lives in HongKong and remotely manages this crew of distrusting, non-supportive and close-minded execs. The HR function is prac…

I mean sure, but take glassdoor with a huge grain of salt, people make up crap to post on there all the time.

The company I work for is around 100 people, but the few postings I have seen that are negative and descriptive are on the mark. Maybe Tolstoy was right about unhappy companies as well.

Re: Silicon Valley Hedge Fund Takes on Wall Street with AI Trader

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post #29
post #13

I just checked out glassdoor, and it seems like they don't know what their product should be since top execs don't want to agree on anything. > We have too many executives for a company this size - most don't add much value except for fighting with each other and politicizing issues. The CEO lives in HongKong and remotely manages this crew of distrusting, non-supportive and close-minded execs. The HR function is prac…

I mean sure, but take glassdoor with a huge grain of salt, people make up crap to post on there all the time.

After a certain number of reviews, Glassdoor becomes a more honest reflection of a company's actual state than anything else.

It's certainly more truthful that marketing fluff pieces like this.

Re: Silicon Valley Hedge Fund Takes on Wall Street with AI Trader

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post #21

The clickbait headline is amusing, but "Wall Street" has been doing this > 10 years. I'm genuinely not sure if they're trying to "beat wall street" or simply be yet another quantitative hedge fund that happens to use machine learning and neural networks to power their strategies. Most real electronic trading firms are putting those algorithms in hardware. Source: Have worked in HFT the past 10 years.

I used to have a stock broker co-worker who had one rule for investing if day trading or even trying to employ a strategy: "You can't fight the Street." His point was trying to bet against a momentum trade or some other scenario was foolish. He watched time and again. There were opportunities to get with the crowd, or be on the wrong side.

Great point. And even if you are "with the crowd" more often than you are not, your timing/sizing on each trade you make as a day trader or mom-and-pop investor is very likely to be worse than an institutional trading firm. So you can be right on a "buy" vs "sell" decision 51% of the time, but an algo trading firm has probably executed with better timing/trade size and beaten you to a percentage of the profit.

A friend who works in quant finance said something along the lines of "if a trader can identify a mom-and-pop investor, it's like taking candy from a baby" in terms of making an easy profit.

Re: Silicon Valley Hedge Fund Takes on Wall Street with AI Trader

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> Sentient Technologies won't disclose its performance

"We are doing some shit but we have nothing great to show but you should probably read the rest of our PR article."

> The CEO lives in HongKong and remotely manages this crew of distrusting, non-supportive and close-minded execs.

"We are a highly disruptive people working on disruptive technology in a disruptive way."

Re: Silicon Valley Hedge Fund Takes on Wall Street with AI Trader

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post #21

The clickbait headline is amusing, but "Wall Street" has been doing this > 10 years. I'm genuinely not sure if they're trying to "beat wall street" or simply be yet another quantitative hedge fund that happens to use machine learning and neural networks to power their strategies. Most real electronic trading firms are putting those algorithms in hardware. Source: Have worked in HFT the past 10 years.

HFT is a different kind of 'beating the market', though, don't you think?

It is "beating the market" if your strategy results in higher net fee-adjusted returns than the overall market (typically ~7-11%). But yes it's different because you're not deploying a trading strategy, you're being a market maker for other traders.
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