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Post by cookiecaper »

anigbrowl wrote: post #232
forgottenpass wrote: post #188

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> Telling people to just ignore it is equivalent to telling them that their injuries don't matter and you're not interested enough to help No, it's equivalent to giving them a toolset to make many attempts at injuring them unsuccessful. I'll be the first to admit that "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me" is a porous filter. But removing it because it's not perfect only makes people mor…

Pointing to the existence of unpleasant things in life is very different from just shrugging them off. If you're really concerned, do something about changing the behavior of the antagonist instead of worrying that you might be 'coddling' the victims.

Most places do have rules designed to remove trolls. Like everything else in life, a balance is needed; focusing solely on either end of the interaction is not productive. Both sides need to be addressed.

If aggressive trolling is occurring, the trolls should be punished appropriately, but in the meantime, the intended targets should do what they can to prevent escalation.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by cookiecaper »

anigbrowl wrote: post #231
bshanks wrote: post #222

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I think the problem is just that people use one word, "troll", for too many different things. We can keep using "troll" for people who are saying things to get people riled up [ http://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/troller.htm ]. But we need to call people who pick on others "bullies". As for scum who post threats, email pictures of dead people to their family members [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Ca…

You know, I'm past worrying about the feelings of trolls. They're not owed fun or any protection for the activities they enjoy, and if they don't like getting kicked out of civil forums for acting like assholes then too bad.

The issue is that everyone has a different perspective on what constitutes "trolling" and what doesn't. These "civil forums" frequently develop a habit of banning anyone who tries to do anything other than shout more echos into the echo chamber on the pretext that they're "trolls" or otherwise unsavory community members. A policy that encourages such casual non-concern for participants is likely to result in some very one-sided outcomes.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by RUG3Y »

tinus_hn wrote: post #264
RUG3Y wrote: post #260

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It's moderated but far more permissive than the internet at large. Also, maybe they're really good at deleting complaints about the moderators?

It's not really comparable because their boards have a limited number of active posts and the bigger boards get so much traffic anything is gone within a few minutes. So if you complain about something and they don't respond within the hour, it's gone anyway. Still they have big problems with spam, ddos attacks and moderator turnover and that is after they delegate the bigger problems to /b to be mostly ignored.

Yes 4chan is a mess, but I'm glad it's there.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by stevewillows »

Markoff wrote: post #313
stevewillows wrote: post #172

It's a shame to see the boards go, but I can understand their reasoning. Letterboxd and the others are handy for tracking movies, but I found that using Google Sheets with the OMDB API is much better. I can pull the information that I want and easily input titles from lists on Letterboxd and other sites. Add 'Cloud Ignite' instead of pulling from the XML though. Going straight to the XML isn't reliable. For those loo…

reddit is too messy, you don't have subreddit for every single movie ever released plus thanks to voting system you will see only popular opinions, controversial but valid opinions will be hidden i would recommend checking TMDb which launched discussions for each listed title just yesterday, so don't expect there will be much content, but at least each movie or TV show had its own page and own forum, much more neat t…

TMDB is great. It's awesome that they have discussions now.

I agree that reddit isn't ideal. With the size of truefilm and flicks, the threads aren't usually very big.

Thanks for the heads up re: TMDB!

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by anigbrowl »

cookiecaper wrote: post #321
anigbrowl wrote: post #232

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Pointing to the existence of unpleasant things in life is very different from just shrugging them off. If you're really concerned, do something about changing the behavior of the antagonist instead of worrying that you might be 'coddling' the victims.

Most places do have rules designed to remove trolls. Like everything else in life, a balance is needed; focusing solely on either end of the interaction is not productive. Both sides need to be addressed. If aggressive trolling is occurring, the trolls should be punished appropriately, but in the meantime, the intended targets should do what they can to prevent escalation.

Yeah but the targets already know that advice. It's like telling a rape victim 'stay away from creepy men.' That's not helpful advice in most cases, and it's doubly annoying when the advice-giver isn't obviously making any effort to confront the bad actors, but handwaving about the existence of rules or laws. It's not enough to just put a rule in place, bad actors need to be confronted and attacked for the bad behavior they engage in.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by anigbrowl »

forgottenpass wrote: post #317
anigbrowl wrote: post #232

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Pointing to the existence of unpleasant things in life is very different from just shrugging them off. If you're really concerned, do something about changing the behavior of the antagonist instead of worrying that you might be 'coddling' the victims.

If you're really concerned, do something about changing the behavior of the antagonist Once you suggest a mitigation strategy that doesn't have laughably bad cost/benefit in comparison to teaching coping mechanisms, I'm all ears. Until then: stop telling me to "do something." I can't figure out how to fix the world for you, rise to the occasion yourself. If you do find it, it'll be easy to convince me to join.

It's not my job to do all your thinking for you. It's yours to figure out what the best strategy is to uphold the morals you claim to support.

But here's some suggestions to get you started. If you see someone trolling and hurting another person online, get involved in the conversation and attack the troll. If you see someone behaving like a nazi, remonstrate with them and if they won't stop, punch them. If you see someone trying to commit rape or murder, fight them and kill them if they won't surrender.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by anigbrowl »

cookiecaper wrote: post #322
anigbrowl wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, I'm past worrying about the feelings of trolls. They're not owed fun or any protection for the activities they enjoy, and if they don't like getting kicked out of civil forums for acting like assholes then too bad.

The issue is that everyone has a different perspective on what constitutes "trolling" and what doesn't. These "civil forums" frequently develop a habit of banning anyone who tries to do anything other than shout more echos into the echo chamber on the pretext that they're "trolls" or otherwise unsavory community members. A policy that encourages such casual non-concern for participants is likely to result in some ver…

Sorry, I don't think that's an accurate reflection of online social dynamics. Echo chambers certainly exist and I've run into that same problem myself, but I managed to disagree without disputing other people's freedom to participate in such forums, doxxing people, making death threats, or engaging in any of the other activities that obnoxious trolls are well-known for.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by anigbrowl »

bshanks wrote: post #269
anigbrowl wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, I'm past worrying about the feelings of trolls. They're not owed fun or any protection for the activities they enjoy, and if they don't like getting kicked out of civil forums for acting like assholes then too bad.

I quite agree with you. I'm only saying that when you talk about bullying to third parties using the word "troll", sometimes the third party will imagine something less serious than is actually happening.

Ah, I see - I overlooked the fact of being rooted in internet culture for longer and more deeply than the general population sometimes impedes communication.

I'm always on the lookout for better words to get key concepts across so I'll add 'troll' to my list of terms that need a better descriptor.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by azinman2 »

naranana wrote: post #252
azinman2 wrote: post #250

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So why is there so much racism, doxing, and other horrible behavior? Or are only some of the boards moderated?

All boards are moderated in a completely different way. Most of the boards have a pinned post with the rules. Most moderation occurs stealthily. Also, racism and doxxing are not comparable at all.

Do they both not belong to "horrible behavior?"

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by hkmurakami »

2Pacalypse- wrote: post #293
spbaar wrote: post #239

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Team liquid is what I think of when I think of active moderation done right

TeamLiquid has some sensible rules[1] that are being carried out by a numerable sensible staff members[2]. Its longevity speak to the effectiveness of this formula. [1] - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tl-community/17883-tlnet-ten... [2] - http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid.net_Staff

Hi 2pac! ;)
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