I've been thinking about this constantly for the last 2-3 years. I'm working on something which might lead to this. What I've concluded, is that we don't have a good representation for a general purpose tree editor to work on. Roughly speaking, S-expressions are just a bit too simple, and XML is way too complicated. General purpose plain text editors work so well because we've agreed on a common representation (more…
I've also been thinking about this for about as long (read this same article about 2-3 years ago), and came to pretty much the same conclusion. I actually think defining the grammar for turning text into a tree is likely to be the easy part, compared with building the editor itself. That said, during my research I ran across an ancient Usenet thread from 1989[1]. In it, the OP asks: > Should the language designers be…
Why Don't We Have a General-Purpose Tree Editor? (2014)
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Re: Why Don't We Have a General-Purpose Tree Editor? (2014)
#162Looking back at my history this topic hits me right in the feels...
Re: Why Don't We Have a General-Purpose Tree Editor? (2014)
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There's a core abstraction lurking behind tools like ZigZag, the Leo editor, hashtags, and C pointers/linked structures. The hyperlink as the base abstraction allowed us to store and navigate individual nodes in a hypertext, but it doesn't work well for collections - thus it provides limited support for programmatic access. Conversely, pointers & references in programming languages allow for easy handling/transformat…
Can I email you? I'm working on similar ideas. I can't find an email address. My email address is in my profile.
Re: Why Don't We Have a General-Purpose Tree Editor? (2014)
#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a core abstraction lurking behind tools like ZigZag, the Leo editor, hashtags, and C pointers/linked structures. The hyperlink as the base abstraction allowed us to store and navigate individual nodes in a hypertext, but it doesn't work well for collections - thus it provides limited support for programmatic access. Conversely, pointers & references in programming languages allow for easy handling/transformat…
Can I email you? I'm working on similar ideas. I can't find an email address. My email address is in my profile.
Re: Why Don't We Have a General-Purpose Tree Editor? (2014)
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a core abstraction lurking behind tools like ZigZag, the Leo editor, hashtags, and C pointers/linked structures. The hyperlink as the base abstraction allowed us to store and navigate individual nodes in a hypertext, but it doesn't work well for collections - thus it provides limited support for programmatic access. Conversely, pointers & references in programming languages allow for easy handling/transformat…
Can I email you? I'm working on similar ideas. I can't find an email address. My email address is in my profile.
Re: Why Don't We Have a General-Purpose Tree Editor? (2014)
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I think that sums it up. We really can't top crufty old Windows freeware? There is a gaping hole in the market.
The last time I worked on complex XML I even used XML Marker with WINE... it works there. If you want the Mercedes of XML editors you should take a look at Oxygen XML editor (this is not free but runs on more platforms than Windows).
Re: Why Don't We Have a General-Purpose Tree Editor? (2014)
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I've also been thinking about this for about as long (read this same article about 2-3 years ago), and came to pretty much the same conclusion. I actually think defining the grammar for turning text into a tree is likely to be the easy part, compared with building the editor itself. That said, during my research I ran across an ancient Usenet thread from 1989[1]. In it, the OP asks: > Should the language designers be…
Back in '84 I was an undergrad at Boston University, doing an independent study with one of the business professors, Dr. Fedoritz, on a "next generation spreadsheet" that was to incorporate a cell-less freeform tree structure to represent Frames of Reference. Operating under the business school, we were working on advanced interfaces for financial professionals. The project was called a Frame Based Knowledge Represen…
Re: Why Don't We Have a General-Purpose Tree Editor? (2014)
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While we might have some common idea what is text, we definitely not have common semantics! The resulting situation isn't so much different from trees. And what do you mean by "s-expressions just too simple"? Isn't simplicity something to strive for?
> And what do you mean by "s-expressions just too simple"? Isn't simplicity something to strive for? I should stress "a bit". Actually, looking closer at s-expressions right now (I was writing based on what I remembered), I'd like to flip that statement. S-expressions are just a bit more complex than what I have in mind. Or alternately: they're equivalent under some trivial transformation. It depends on how you look…
PS, if you're as enthusiastic about this idea as I am, we should talk, can I email you?
Re: Why Don't We Have a General-Purpose Tree Editor? (2014)
#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
While we might have some common idea what is text, we definitely not have common semantics! The resulting situation isn't so much different from trees. And what do you mean by "s-expressions just too simple"? Isn't simplicity something to strive for?
> And what do you mean by "s-expressions just too simple"? Isn't simplicity something to strive for? I should stress "a bit". Actually, looking closer at s-expressions right now (I was writing based on what I remembered), I'd like to flip that statement. S-expressions are just a bit more complex than what I have in mind. Or alternately: they're equivalent under some trivial transformation. It depends on how you look…
Re: Why Don't We Have a General-Purpose Tree Editor? (2014)
#170Check gingko, which is more focussed on docs, but is a tree editor at its core. https://gingkoapp.com/ Used it at university for notes, and is great for quick revisions before the exams too!
Looks great but it only does text. The link speaks of beyond ASCII. For this the old school PIM were better at storage of thoughts.
Also, supports LaTeX.