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Federal Court Says Public Safety Laws Can Be Locked Behind Paywalls

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Re: Federal Court Says Public Safety Laws Can Be Locked Behind Paywalls

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Copyright law needs some serious reform. It's unconscionable that you can't even share the laws that govern you. We really need an exception for things that are considered "public" knowledge, including freedom of panorama. (I can't even take a picture of my own city if it contains an artwork in it) We also need to do something about orphaned works. Sadly, it's in the interest of Disney and other corporations that the status quo of a restrictive commons continues indefinitely.

Re: Federal Court Says Public Safety Laws Can Be Locked Behind Paywalls

#5
I don't get the criticism against the judge or the ruling. Frankly, the arguments presented by Resource.org seem to be unpersuasive (the claim that these standards are "discovered facts" is just insulting to the engineers that worked on them) and completely unsupported by the law. It's not the judge's fault that your Congress and other governments have sold you out. Go sue them for enforcing laws you can't read.

Re: Federal Court Says Public Safety Laws Can Be Locked Behind Paywalls

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I don't get the criticism against the judge or the ruling. Frankly, the arguments presented by Resource.org seem to be unpersuasive (the claim that these standards are "discovered facts" is just insulting to the engineers that worked on them) and completely unsupported by the law. It's not the judge's fault that your Congress and other governments have sold you out. Go sue them for enforcing laws you can't read.

I'd love to.

oh, maybe we can use one of those automated lawyers! Do they support 'government sold you out' suits yet or is that a couple years off still?

Re: Federal Court Says Public Safety Laws Can Be Locked Behind Paywalls

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The lowest level of the US court system tries hard to stick to what law and precedent say, and to avoid engaging with constitutional issues. If you want to drive change you have to appeal it up a level or two, where the senior judges consider it to be within their pay scale. That is what is going to happen here.

Re: Federal Court Says Public Safety Laws Can Be Locked Behind Paywalls

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post #7

Kafka and Orwell missed an opportunity when they did not incorporate the idea of secret/paywalled laws into their works.

this story reminds me of the card game Mao, which was a particular favourite at my college:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_(card_game)

Re: Federal Court Says Public Safety Laws Can Be Locked Behind Paywalls

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I can see troubling consequences that arise from both sides' arguments.

If private companies can hold copyrights on portions of the law, that inhibits access to those laws, and I think any reasonable person would agree that citizens have a basic right to access the text of laws and legally binding regulations, and paywalls or other restrictions conflict with that right.

But if the government can essentially revoke a private individual or company's copyright merely by incorporating otherwise protected text into legislation, that can have adverse effects on copyright holders.

And it would be interesting to see just how far you could stretch a claim on both sides.

For instance, let's say that a law specifies that vehicles used by some governmental department must be maintained according to the specifications in their respective owners' manuals. Could that be argued to be a type of "incorporation by reference" of the specifications, thus voiding the copyright of the owners' manuals?

Or what if a private company tried to impose absurd restrictions on accessing copyrighted material that has been incorporated by reference, such that even the governmental agencies charged with enforcing the law were unable to access it? Could that be a way of subverting the law?

Or what if a lawmaker has it out for a particular publisher or writer, and purposefully quotes their copyrighted texts (beyond what would typically be considered fair use) in legislation as a way of damaging their copyright?

And if it is the case that nonprofit groups that devise standards for public safety and device interoperability are deprived of their copyrights because those standards are incorporated into legislation, I would imagine it would disincentivize the work they do, perhaps leading to less well thought out public safety and device interoperability standards.

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