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Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by dfabulich »

bshanks wrote: post #222
anigbrowl wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's time to come up with a better solution than 'don't feed the trolls.' I have been saying for years that trolling (the aggressive kind, not the witty mutual banter kind) is a serious problem and the response is almost always 'oh just don't give them attention, that's what they feed on blah blah.' this ignores the fact that trolls and bullies systematically pick on people who are vulnerable and target their s…

I think the problem is just that people use one word, "troll", for too many different things. We can keep using "troll" for people who are saying things to get people riled up [ http://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/troller.htm ]. But we need to call people who pick on others "bullies". As for scum who post threats, email pictures of dead people to their family members [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Ca…

Even the word "bully" isn't strong enough. "Bully" is a diminutive term that sounds like it describes an unimportant/childish problem. (The word originally meant "lover" or "friend" in Dutch.)

When the target is an online community, I use the term "attacker" in the infosec sense.

When someone sends threats, I think the best term is "harassment."

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by naranana »

azinman2 wrote: post #250
kibwen wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though 4chan does have moderators.

So why is there so much racism, doxing, and other horrible behavior? Or are only some of the boards moderated?

All boards are moderated in a completely different way. Most of the boards have a pinned post with the rules. Most moderation occurs stealthily.

Also, racism and doxxing are not comparable at all.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by naranana »

detaro wrote: post #186
brianwawok wrote: post #185

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Real ID helps but no one wants that.

Looking at the Facebook comment sections some news sites include, I'm not convinced it actually helps.

Tech people believe in real ID because most tech people are leftists.

Leftists call racists "racists" because under their own set of values that's a horrible thing to say. Imagine if a tech guy was outed as a racist. That'd be the end of his career. Look at what happened to Brendan Eich when it was discovered he doesn't support gay rights.

What they don't understand is that there are more economy sectors other than tech and places other than San Francisco where your life won't be ruined if someone discovers you're a racist. So, real ID is pretty much irrelevant for a big part of the population. That's why it doesn't work.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by ryanisaacg »

hkmurakami wrote: post #197
ransom1538 wrote: post #192

Developed/ran a message board software for 4 years. Running a large message board network is one of the worst experiences I have ever had. You are constantly wasting time moderating people, blocking people, recalculating algorithms, dealing with attacks and explaining to the police you don't have the IP address in question. Every large message board I have developed or managed revolted or sued us ([1][2] random examp…

Agreed. I used to moderate the largest English Starcraft forum. We had a pretty low tolerance for poor behavior, and people would cause shitstorms on other forums about our allegedly heavy handed moderation style. I'm no longer active on staff duties but the site is going strong so I'm guessing we did something right.

As far as online games go, Starcraft seems to on the less toxic side in my experience.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by j3097736 »

sgustard wrote: post #211

Just picked a movie at random (Rogue One) and the top featured message board posts are: Krennic or Hux? I want a Chirrut Imwe & Baze Prequel What other genres could be transplanted to the Star Wars Universe? Just saw the film tonight - It was OK. To me, that's a pretty random collection of fringe topics or opinions. Are these really the top things up for discussion about the movie? How about an AMA with the moviemake…

millions of flies can't be wrong

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by archagon »

malz wrote: post #206
ransom1538 wrote: post #192

Developed/ran a message board software for 4 years. Running a large message board network is one of the worst experiences I have ever had. You are constantly wasting time moderating people, blocking people, recalculating algorithms, dealing with attacks and explaining to the police you don't have the IP address in question. Every large message board I have developed or managed revolted or sued us ([1][2] random examp…

I developed and ran social networking features for a fashion site with an almost entirely female audience, age range 20-50. I was fully expecting bad behavior but was surprised as it grew that people were unfailingly nice, supportive and encouraging to each other, with only a few exceptions. Of course I'm aware that females, like anyone else, can be nasty to each other, but it barely happened here with membership in…

I've noticed the same thing on Reddit in subreddits where women make up 50% or more of the population. When I'm posting in these communities, I tend to be given the benefit of the doubt and receive a lot more supportive or cheerful replies instead of walls of text/sarcasm/"well, actually". It's made me unconsciously change my posting habits.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by archagon »

anigbrowl wrote: post #165
bluedino wrote: post #66

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The sad part is it's due to a very small amount of trolls that did a lot of damage. I can't help but be disgusted that these guys are now laughing about IMDB shutting the whole thing down because of their actions.

Well, it's time to come up with a better solution than 'don't feed the trolls.' I have been saying for years that trolling (the aggressive kind, not the witty mutual banter kind) is a serious problem and the response is almost always 'oh just don't give them attention, that's what they feed on blah blah.' this ignores the fact that trolls and bullies systematically pick on people who are vulnerable and target their s…

Kathy Sierra's rebuttal to "don't feed the trolls" during Gamergate makes this point very well: http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point/

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by sanderjd »

briholt wrote: post #229
malz wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I developed and ran social networking features for a fashion site with an almost entirely female audience, age range 20-50. I was fully expecting bad behavior but was surprised as it grew that people were unfailingly nice, supportive and encouraging to each other, with only a few exceptions. Of course I'm aware that females, like anyone else, can be nasty to each other, but it barely happened here with membership in…

I would guess fashion-interest is a better selector for positive interaction than female. Try an all-female board about veganism and watch them eat each other alive in a race to the righteousness bottom.

This seems like odd and unsupported speculation to me...

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by RUG3Y »

naranana wrote: post #252
azinman2 wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why is there so much racism, doxing, and other horrible behavior? Or are only some of the boards moderated?

All boards are moderated in a completely different way. Most of the boards have a pinned post with the rules. Most moderation occurs stealthily. Also, racism and doxxing are not comparable at all.

The double-edged sword of not moderating based on racism and other undesirable behavior is that your job as a moderator is much easier, but you have the terrible reputation that 4chan has. I am personally fine with boards that allow pretty much everything other than CP and other illegal content. I think this is how a number of chan boards operate.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by RUG3Y »

beedogs wrote: post #245
RUG3Y wrote: post #212

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4chan seems to do ok. Or maybe not, depending on your perspective. There are a ton of smaller chan style boards that are awesome and don't seem to have the problems everyone is talking about here.

4chan is moderated to the hilt.

It's moderated but far more permissive than the internet at large. Also, maybe they're really good at deleting complaints about the moderators?
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