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Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by buzzybee »

djsumdog wrote: post #143
Void_ wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought Reddit had pretty good discussions about movies.

I rarely go onto Reddit these days. After their warrant canary disappeared and their CEO was caught editing comments, I feel like it's no longer a website I want to support. There aren't any real alternatives though. Voat is like 4chan fucked some YouTube comments and then had a Danares Targaryen style demon baby.

Imzy is probably what you want. It's very clearly messaged from the beginning that moderation is important.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by bshanks »

anigbrowl wrote: post #165
bluedino wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sad part is it's due to a very small amount of trolls that did a lot of damage. I can't help but be disgusted that these guys are now laughing about IMDB shutting the whole thing down because of their actions.

Well, it's time to come up with a better solution than 'don't feed the trolls.' I have been saying for years that trolling (the aggressive kind, not the witty mutual banter kind) is a serious problem and the response is almost always 'oh just don't give them attention, that's what they feed on blah blah.' this ignores the fact that trolls and bullies systematically pick on people who are vulnerable and target their s…

I think the problem is just that people use one word, "troll", for too many different things.

We can keep using "troll" for people who are saying things to get people riled up [http://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/troller.htm].

But we need to call people who pick on others "bullies".

As for scum who post threats, email pictures of dead people to their family members [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Catsouras_photographs_co...], etc, we may need a third word. I can't think of a good one -- is there something like "pervert" but without the sexual overtones? Maybe "thug", although that also might not be the best choice? "Stalker" is used ironically too often. "Scum" sounds too over-the-top.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by ransom1538 »

ieatkittens wrote: post #220
ransom1538 wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. Just have boards filled with childporn and dick picks. Let me know how that goes.

CP is never welcome and gets removed. Even un- or barely moderated boards do so. Dick picks, on the other hand, are tedious but not inherently bad.

The point is -- it needs to be moderated.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by jaimex2 »

lucker wrote: post #209
ransom1538 wrote: post #192

Developed/ran a message board software for 4 years. Running a large message board network is one of the worst experiences I have ever had. You are constantly wasting time moderating people, blocking people, recalculating algorithms, dealing with attacks and explaining to the police you don't have the IP address in question. Every large message board I have developed or managed revolted or sued us ([1][2] random examp…

Seems like a lot of that can be solved by simply not moderating or censoring anythng.

For a message board run extremely well see whirlpool.net.au

It's basically the forum for all of Australia. They seem to have found the perfect balance between moderation and creating a good culture.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by mavhc »

rhizome wrote: post #168
chippy wrote: post #74

This is pretty bad move and here's why: IMDb relies on users using the site, editing entries, facts, quotes and correcting things. These are the community, and they are movie fans, hardcore fans, the reason why IMDb continues. The "db" in IMDb has been created, by hand, by volunteers - the users who use the message board. IMDb has totally overlooked the value of the Message Boards - they are for the community. Remove…

IMDb relies on users using the site, editing entries, facts, quotes and correcting things. Are you sure about this? My impression is that they rely on IMDBPro subscriptions.

They did in the beginning, not so much now I guess. The worst thing was when the removed all the actual writers from films and replaced them with the official writers, due to a deal with the WGA or similar.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by bshanks »

forgottenpass wrote: post #188
anigbrowl wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's time to come up with a better solution than 'don't feed the trolls.' I have been saying for years that trolling (the aggressive kind, not the witty mutual banter kind) is a serious problem and the response is almost always 'oh just don't give them attention, that's what they feed on blah blah.' this ignores the fact that trolls and bullies systematically pick on people who are vulnerable and target their s…

> Telling people to just ignore it is equivalent to telling them that their injuries don't matter and you're not interested enough to help No, it's equivalent to giving them a toolset to make many attempts at injuring them unsuccessful. I'll be the first to admit that "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me" is a porous filter. But removing it because it's not perfect only makes people mor…

Yes, one should help the targets of bullies to be resilient. In addition to that, one should make it clear that bullying is unacceptable.

And, perhaps, depending on the forum and the degree of confidence that you have the whole story, one should take action against the bullies.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by kibwen »

RUG3Y wrote: post #212
lucker wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like a lot of that can be solved by simply not moderating or censoring anythng.

4chan seems to do ok. Or maybe not, depending on your perspective. There are a ton of smaller chan style boards that are awesome and don't seem to have the problems everyone is talking about here.

Though 4chan does have moderators.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by striking »

alistproducer2 wrote: post #196
ransom1538 wrote: post #192

Developed/ran a message board software for 4 years. Running a large message board network is one of the worst experiences I have ever had. You are constantly wasting time moderating people, blocking people, recalculating algorithms, dealing with attacks and explaining to the police you don't have the IP address in question. Every large message board I have developed or managed revolted or sued us ([1][2] random examp…

Great point.

...he posted, on an online comment system.

edit: before the parent comment was edited, the most charitable reading of the comment was that internet commenting systems have a net negative effect on humanity

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by briholt »

malz wrote: post #206
ransom1538 wrote: post #192

Developed/ran a message board software for 4 years. Running a large message board network is one of the worst experiences I have ever had. You are constantly wasting time moderating people, blocking people, recalculating algorithms, dealing with attacks and explaining to the police you don't have the IP address in question. Every large message board I have developed or managed revolted or sued us ([1][2] random examp…

I developed and ran social networking features for a fashion site with an almost entirely female audience, age range 20-50. I was fully expecting bad behavior but was surprised as it grew that people were unfailingly nice, supportive and encouraging to each other, with only a few exceptions. Of course I'm aware that females, like anyone else, can be nasty to each other, but it barely happened here with membership in…

I would guess fashion-interest is a better selector for positive interaction than female. Try an all-female board about veganism and watch them eat each other alive in a race to the righteousness bottom.

Re: “We have decided to disable IMDb's message boards”

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Post by wingworks »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #181
erickhill wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cost to moderate the boards is probably not insignificant. The revenue they provided (directly) I'm sure made the decision pretty easy to make when looking at it only through the lens of a cold spreadsheet.

I find that weird though; message boards generate a lot of pageviews and are generally rich in content, so they would also generate a lot of advertising revenue.

The message boards on IMDB is nearly the only reason I ever go on IMDB, just after watching a movie. I never go there for their content since there are much better sites out there presenting the info (themoviedb), + there trailers are terrible slow to load (at least where I live) compared to Youtube or even Apple hosted trailers.
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