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FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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Re: FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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Post by braveo »

DictumExNihilo wrote: post #261
dang wrote: post #239

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13571166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13110004

Because calling people fascists and brownshirts (Nazis) is not inflammatory political rhetoric. Linking me to some comments that essentially say "your opinions are not valid, stop calling bias on the moderator" is in no way a persuasive argument. That's just getting other people to say the same thing you're saying, and the popularity of a claim does not make it true. By your own values then, either calling people fas…

I'd give a name to my opinion of Dang, but he'd just mod it.

When it's all said and done, you won't win so you may as well drop it or leave HN. Dang considers himself the adult, with people like you as the children. He'll chide you, but he won't give any credence whatsoever to anything you say, so don't bother.

And while I don't necessarily agree with your initial posting, it didn't need moderator attention.

Just as an FYI, Dang will also harass you in an effort get you to either escalate into a bannable offense or to get you to leave the site.

I've seen it happen, so my advice to you is to decide if putting up with Dang's bullshit is worth being a part of HN.

Re: FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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Post by braveo »

kalkin wrote: post #204
ChefDenominator wrote: post #159

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For the life of me, I can't find any mention of social security, health care, or taxes in GP's comment.

What does "shrink the state" mean, then? Are those not part of the state? If only the FBI or other armed wings of the state are meant, why not say that?

You're purposefully misrepresenting what was said, if anyone in this thread needs to get Dang's attention it's you.

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Post by braveo »

ctrl_freak wrote: post #233
wyager wrote: post #186

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> The growth of government is a direct response to constant abuses at the hands of smaller local government, corporations, and wealthy individuals. Or maybe it's a direct response to the fact that the people who have the power to grow the government also work for the government and are therefore incentivized to grow the government. Which idiot is going around saying "wow, this one level of government sucks, I'd bette…

> I think you're also wrong that local governments are frequently committing abuses; the federal government seems to do that much more frequently I think I read a study not too long ago that indicated state and local governments actually had much higher corruption than the federal government. I tried to find it now; the best I could come up with was an article from nymag [1]. It's an interesting read, and one of the…

I would agree with that, but I think a large reason for it is because people don't pay attention to local as much as federal anymore, so it slips under the radar a lot.

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Post by contergan »

kalkin wrote: post #222
coderdude wrote: post #163

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There was one a couple of days ago at Berkeley where 150 or so masked people smashed windows and set things on fire in an attempt to block a conservative from speaking there. Causing $100k in damage to private property in order to curtail other's free speech isn't something that should be glossed over or minimized by calling it protesting. There's the riot at NYU where more violent agitators showed up to prevent Gavi…

Kettling is very typically used for mass arrests, even if charges are not filed against everyone arrested. This has happened in Oakland, where I live, multiple times in the last five years. And the fact that an arrest without a conviction can be reported to employers under this FBI program is one of the problems noted in the article. Terrorism is quite a word for a situation in which nobody was seriously injured, as…

Unfortunately you are wrong and several people were seriously injured by the "protesters" - who I'd call terrorists, too, since their actions fit the textbook definition of terrorism - at the Berkeley riots (and many other Anti Trump protests), with one having been almost beaten into a bloody pulp after already lying on the ground unconsciously.

That some people in this thread seem to try to justify this kind of behavior is quite disturbing, though probably to be expected, considering the demographics on HN and that some posters here hail from that area, which seems to be ground zero for regressive and violent leftist radicals.

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Post by mattnewton »

coderdude wrote: post #236
anigbrowl wrote: post #223

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I was at that protest in Berkeley and your claims are exaggerated. I've written here extensively on what was objectionable about the speaker's visit there and why I think the protests were justified. You should consider that a supporter of that speaker shot someone at a similar event only days earlier. If you are concerned about violence as you claim then I think rather outranks some broken windows and a burnt-out ge…

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you don't mean to downplay what actually happened, or to imply that two wrongs make a right, or to present your limited experience of the event as evidence that it was hardly worth bringing up in the first place. But at the same time, we both know arguing any other view point isn't going to matter. It is absolutely exhausting trying to have an effective d…

It's important to listen to primary sources in this age of heavily propagandized events. Yes, some people acted illegally and dangerously, but to call it terrorism and the real threat to the united states smacks of partisan misdirection.

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Post by hueving »

dang wrote: post #227
hueving wrote: post #141

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>That is special kind of stupid. Very thoughtful and well reasoned. Take that trash elsewhere.

Please don't reply to a comment that breaks HN's guidelines by breaking the guidelines yourself. That only weakens them, and the community, further.

Good point. I'm getting so tired of the surge of emotion-driven responses since the election. The level of discourse is dropping down to a typical reddit-esque echo chamber. If we don't encourage people to think I think the tone of HN is going to change quickly.

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Post by hueving »

WaxProlix wrote: post #180
java_script wrote: post #142

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Was curious indeed; did some googling. Libertarianism is hilarious: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises_Institute#Grea...

I've seen quite a bit of mises institute being posted around here in brief, otherwise insubstantial comments. It's nice to have a single link to follow them up with, so that curious parties can get a view from other perspectives.

Most of those items are appeals to absurdity, lacking any particular rebuttals of the things they ridicule.

I think you will find that claiming something is obviously ridiculous to someone who actually needs convincing is one of the worst approaches possible.

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Post by dang »

464192002d7fe1c wrote: post #280
dang wrote: post #235

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Overheated ideological rhetoric is destructive of the kind of discussion we're trying for on HN, and will eventually get your account banned. Please stop posting like this. We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13570249 and marked it off-topic.

If pointing out that there are people out there celebrating child rapists and women who want to destroy female equality in the united states is a bannable offense on HN, please do so. I see no reason to stop pointing out facts because it makes the hive mind here uncomfortable.

"Facts" is what all political trolls call their wares.

We've banned this account for trolling. Please don't create accounts to break HN's guidelines with.

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Post by dang »

itsjohncena wrote: post #275
rdtsc wrote: post #158

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> But if what you're really after is to prohibit protesting and the thing being protested is near a hospital It would seem it would be a good idea to just not organize a protest close to a hospital? Or have a more organized protest that would allow an ambulance to pass...

Can you show examples? This is feeling like a hypothetical you're using to dismiss political speech rather than a genuine concern. I don't doubt it's happened (I can think of a couple of anecdotal examples I've seen in person, as well as plenty of times we let cops through even though we were fully against them), but I also don't think you may have a respect for just how many peaceful protests block roads or building…

I appreciate (really, a lot) that you've been commenting civilly. But HN isn't a forum to be used primarily for political or ideological battle. It is for stories and conversations that gratify intellectual curiosity. Those things don't sit well together, because the more powerful forces (political battle) eventually overwhelm the more delicate ones (intellectual curiosity).

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