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FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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GP said "on", not "because of", so at-will employment doesn't really make it any more difficult to determine.

OTOH, maybe some people on the list are also bad employees.

I bet some of the people on the list will have brown hair too.

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What kind of activism are you referring to? The peaceful gatherings with signs and petitions, or the kind with assaults, battery, looting and vandalism on others for speaking their side?

If you get to conflate the handful of anarchists breaking windows and setting fires the night before with the 3m of us who marched peacefully during the Women's March, then we get to conflate all Trump voters with the literal nazis - as in "Sieg Heil", nazi salute, call themselves "nazis" - that voted for him and celebrated his victory. It's only fair. (And, yes, I'm saying that both of these things are a bad idea si…

Nearly no one was arrested and thus put on a watch list for the Women's March. This list is a dumb thing, but it likely will only affect people in protests that get rough.

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At the end of the day. American citizens will be the judge. With a booming demographic, you are watching the train pass, soon, you will be on, and then drive that train. Don't fight age, or fear. One day, someone reading this on HackerNews will take control. Our parents sent us to University, but, good lucking fooling them.

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> First Amendment rights: filming public officials, attending protests, blocking streets. Is blocking streets a First Amendment right? I heard protestors blocking an exit to a hospital sometime ago. I would think that puts lives in danger. Just wonder what does the law state there. Say a patient in an ambulance dies on the way because of a protest blocking the street. Is there a precedent, what happens then?

The problem with a lot of this is that it's just a pretext. You have laws against blocking an ambulance, and there are legitimate reasons for that.

But if what you're really after is to prohibit protesting and the thing being protested is near a hospital so you just go around arresting every protester you can find in the street for blocking an ambulance, that's a different situation.

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Just... so much wrong here. First and foremost, you are still characterizing an entire movement by it's worst actors, so the point of the poster above you stands. Second -- 'Ferguson' was a community reacting to a state sponsored murder -- not a 'BLM protest'. They weren't out there for BLM, they were out there because Ferguson cops enacted violence on their community. Finally, calling 'in defense of looting' require…

First, while I don't want to argue the case of the shooting of Michael Brown here (nor do I have any special knowledge to add to the publicly available facts), you've jumped to conclusions regarding the case ("a state sponsored murder"). The grand jury did not find enough evidence to charge the officer and even CNN said "Some [witnesses] admitted lying. Others changed their stories under questioning." http://www.cnn.…

Hi. I just went off and read In Defense of Looting[1], which I'd never seen before, following its mention in your earlier post. It's fascinating. I think you should read it. It presents a very interesting perspective that many might not be familiar with and, despite the title, is not primarily a defense of looting.

Isn't this an interesting idea worth thinking about? "Looting is extremely dangerous to the rich (and most white people) because it reveals, with an immediacy that has to be moralized away, that the idea of private property is just that: an idea, a tenuous and contingent structure of consent, backed up by the lethal force of the state."

I don't think looting is a good idea, but I do think reading that essay is. Possibly Deeray McKesson felt the same way.

[1] http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/in-defense-of-looting/

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#98
There is a group who have proposed a solution to this problem for decades:

Shrink the state.

Until people stop believing that any effort to do so will result in everyone literally dying in the street, the state will grow. Until people's first impulse towards someone doing something they don't like ceases to be "there ought to be a law", the state will grow. Until people stop demanding that laws must affect the entirety of the country instead of just their state, the state will grow.

What sort of government did we start with? "A republic, if you can keep it." according to Ben Franklin.

We didn't keep it.

Keep it small, keep it close, and recognize that there are limits to the problems a bureaucracy can solve. Be suspicious of all power. Be suspicious of all taxation. A massive government can, and does, wield incredible fortune like a weapon against the population.

Shrink the state until politicians are no longer worth buying and it barely matters who holds the reins. Trust your neighbor a lot more and your government a lot less.

Or do none of this, but don't ask why nobody told you this could happen. Because we did, and you laughed at us and told us we were juvenile, loathsome, heartless people.

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#99

Beautiful - Go to protest against Trump (or even to document it [1]) - get arrested and charged with "Rioting", "Disturbing the Peace" or my most favorite "Resisting Arrest[2]" - get an Arrest Record - Get fired immediately thanks to RAP BACK - Charges get dropped. Rinse and repeat. Welcome Absolute Fascism. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/24/journalists-ch... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_con…

Or you could avoid being a social pariah and go about your life normally. There's nothing wrong with that.

Personally I have no interest in my workplace being a haven for "social justice warriors," whatever that even means. Sounds like a euphemism for bored layabouts that need something better to do than spread hateful propaganda over Twitter/Facebook and generally be a nuisance to "raise awareness."

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If this kind of crap actually becomes popular I give it 10yr before people realize that police arrest tons of people for tons of things and a disturbingly large amount if it is just them "mildly" abusing their power and whatever it is eventually gets dropped. This will be especially true when all the (rich, white) college kids who's only brush with the law is being in the wrong place at the wrong time start hitting the job market. Eventually people will hopefully demand that the cops stop acting that way.
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