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FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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Re: FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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Post by hedora »

leereeves wrote: post #75
drawkbox wrote: post #28

Protesting peacefully is an American right, this will be a list of real patriots. However, this is a bit scary. Corporations have become the brownshirts and we are inching towards a one-party authoritarian system like China it seems. Unfortunately the divide and conquer strategy of the two party system in the US makes people honor party over country and this is a problem. The only solution is to be more independent.…

> this will be a list of real patriots. Isn't this is a list of all arrests, not merely protesters?

select * from arrests where indictment = null

Probably also group by citizen id and sort by count. :-)

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Post by battlebot »

suprgeek wrote: post #14

Beautiful - Go to protest against Trump (or even to document it [1]) - get arrested and charged with "Rioting", "Disturbing the Peace" or my most favorite "Resisting Arrest[2]" - get an Arrest Record - Get fired immediately thanks to RAP BACK - Charges get dropped. Rinse and repeat. Welcome Absolute Fascism. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/24/journalists-ch... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_con…

Okay, but it wasn't Trump who did this! Trump is trying to dismantle the machine, not build it up. I'm a libertarian, I'm perfectly happy when government shrinks and I wish it would shrink back to its constitutionally mandated duties. I would also like it if companies would stop enabling the police state here and around the world by selling the tech that allows it to go on. Talk about dangerous! This is why we have dystopian science fiction--to warn us about crap like this.

Re: FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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Post by leereeves »

dragonwriter wrote: post #66
a3n wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How will you know, if it's employment at will?

GP said "on", not "because of", so at-will employment doesn't really make it any more difficult to determine.

OTOH, maybe some people on the list are also bad employees.

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Post by snsr »

TenOhms wrote: post #10
devoply wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Activism is activism, sometimes it's peaceful and sometimes it gets out of hand depending on the people involved which any one activist can't control, sometime those people work for the government. When you have reporters being arrested at events, I almost certainly know it's not the reporters being violent. And to place these sorts of limits on protesting is again chilling effects.

I've never heard of anyone being arrested for peaceful protests, not since Martin Luther King at least. I'm not saying it doesn't happen ever (your case might be a good example), but peaceful protests virtually never led to arrests.

> I've never heard of anyone being arrested for peaceful protests, not since Martin Luther King at least. I'm not saying it doesn't happen ever (your case might be a good example), but peaceful protests virtually never led to arrests.

Cops arrest and assault people engaging in peaceful, legal, constitutionally protected protest all the fucking time.

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Post by [deleted] »

TenOhms wrote: post #10
devoply wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Activism is activism, sometimes it's peaceful and sometimes it gets out of hand depending on the people involved which any one activist can't control, sometime those people work for the government. When you have reporters being arrested at events, I almost certainly know it's not the reporters being violent. And to place these sorts of limits on protesting is again chilling effects.

I've never heard of anyone being arrested for peaceful protests, not since Martin Luther King at least. I'm not saying it doesn't happen ever (your case might be a good example), but peaceful protests virtually never led to arrests.

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Post by battlebot »

drawkbox wrote: post #28

Protesting peacefully is an American right, this will be a list of real patriots. However, this is a bit scary. Corporations have become the brownshirts and we are inching towards a one-party authoritarian system like China it seems. Unfortunately the divide and conquer strategy of the two party system in the US makes people honor party over country and this is a problem. The only solution is to be more independent.…

Well, plus, you have a lot of none-too-bright lefties who cheered Obama's actions for eight years and who can't see that conservative Americans don't want authoritarianism but rather prefer smaller, less intrusive government, lower taxes, and more freedom. But at the same time, they know they can't have any of that if we keep importing the third world into our neighborhoods--crime went through the roof in 2016. The unintended consequences of open borders are obvious to see.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

tyingq wrote: post #50
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> any criminal background, including arrest records Aren't arrest records for dismissed charges sealed? Innocent until proven guilty makes punishing an employee for charges unseemly. Punishing for convictions, however, strikes me as fine.

>Punishing for convictions, however, strikes me as fine I do get the reason people think this way. However, making it impossible to find a job after doing your time isn't a good thing for society. It just encourages more crime.

To be clear, when I hire I don't care about past non-violent, non-fraud and non-work related convictions.

I am just saying that I think there is a reasonable discussion to be had around businesses discriminating based on conviction (or outstanding warrants). I find it highly offensive to my democratic principles for the government to encourage businesses to pursue those tending to their charges or warrants prior to (potential) conviction.

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Post by rdtsc »

devoply wrote: post #3

The message here is clear: Don't protest or you might lose your job. I will say it again, despite being down-voted last time, these are chilling effects on activism in the United States. They prevent democracy from happening. This means democracy is broken and needs fixing. Activism is the only way that egregious problems like racism in the United States got fixed, without activism black people would still be under J…

> The message here is clear: Don't protest or you might lose your job.

I think the real message is even more troubling. "Don't protest because it probably won't do anything". Since the late 60's when did protests work as a an effective tactic in US? We've had anti-war protests for Iraq and Afghanistan. We've had Occupy Wall Street, we've had protests against Trump. Have they advanced the cause? I am afraid not.

I think as a tactic to effect social or other change protesting in US has lost its efficiency. That's very troubling indeed.

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