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FBI Is Building a Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees

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Post by anon2264 »

TenOhms wrote: post #10
devoply wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Activism is activism, sometimes it's peaceful and sometimes it gets out of hand depending on the people involved which any one activist can't control, sometime those people work for the government. When you have reporters being arrested at events, I almost certainly know it's not the reporters being violent. And to place these sorts of limits on protesting is again chilling effects.

I've never heard of anyone being arrested for peaceful protests, not since Martin Luther King at least. I'm not saying it doesn't happen ever (your case might be a good example), but peaceful protests virtually never led to arrests.

Amy Goodman at the Dakota Pipeline: an absolutely egregious example of arresting a peaceful protestor and charging her with rioting (she's a very respectable journalist)

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Post by leereeves »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #29
leereeves wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Violence wasn't limited to a handful of anarchists during the inauguration. There have been numerous incidents of assault, arson, vandalism, looting, and such during protests for at least a couple years now, starting with BLM protests long before Trump and the election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest Some prominent activists have even defended these acts. For example, Deeray McKesson called In Defense…

Really had to move the goal posts from my specific example there, didn't you?

You tried to move the goalposts where you wanted them; I moved the conversation back to the overall topic.

The comment you replied to didn't mention anything about the inauguration, the Women's March, Trump, or the election.

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Post by gcr »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #20
analogmemory wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I lose my job for protesting or activism then fuck that employer. There should be a database of companies that fire people for their off hours activism.

it should start with a list of companies that publicly state that their employees are allowed to protest, even if the company disagrees with them.

Absolutely. When I go on the job market, I will absolutely bias my search toward employers that have a history of activism among the leaders of the country. (Example: Fog Creek Software with Anil Dash as CEO would be my absolute dream place to work.)

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Post by 464192002d7fe1c »

The difference is that the leaders (Linda Sarsour to name one) of things like the womens march are, to borrow a phrase from someone, deplorable people.

By contrast, the people you're talking about on the right are properly and quietly marginalized.

The right tell the deplorable people on their side to shut up and fuck off home, the left champion them and put them on stage (like the unrepentant child rapist Lena Dunham speaking at the DNC)

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Post by duncan-donuts »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #20
analogmemory wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I lose my job for protesting or activism then fuck that employer. There should be a database of companies that fire people for their off hours activism.

it should start with a list of companies that publicly state that their employees are allowed to protest, even if the company disagrees with them.

It's pretty sad we're talking about companies publicly stating they allow employees to protest. What business is it of the company?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

kiba wrote: post #7
devoply wrote: post #3

The message here is clear: Don't protest or you might lose your job. I will say it again, despite being down-voted last time, these are chilling effects on activism in the United States. They prevent democracy from happening. This means democracy is broken and needs fixing. Activism is the only way that egregious problems like racism in the United States got fixed, without activism black people would still be under J…

Despite the troubling implication of such program, I doubt democracy isn't happening. Indeed, people are already barred from work opportunities by the virtue of having any criminal background, including arrest records. This is acknowledged as a growing problem in our society.

> any criminal background, including arrest records

Aren't arrest records for dismissed charges sealed? Innocent until proven guilty makes punishing an employee for charges unseemly. Punishing for convictions, however, strikes me as fine.

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Post by JohnTHaller »

leereeves wrote: post #32
JohnTHaller wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really had to move the goal posts from my specific example there, didn't you?

You tried to move the goalposts where you wanted them; I moved the conversation back to the overall topic. The comment you replied to didn't mention anything about the inauguration, the Women's March, Trump, or the election.

I spoke to the specific event I personally attended (the Women's March) that has been called violent by many Trump supporters.

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Post by mjolk »

analogmemory wrote: post #4
devoply wrote: post #3

The message here is clear: Don't protest or you might lose your job. I will say it again, despite being down-voted last time, these are chilling effects on activism in the United States. They prevent democracy from happening. This means democracy is broken and needs fixing. Activism is the only way that egregious problems like racism in the United States got fixed, without activism black people would still be under J…

If I lose my job for protesting or activism then fuck that employer. There should be a database of companies that fire people for their off hours activism.

Your solution for a problematic database is to create a problematic database?

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Post by oval-atom »

darpa_escapee wrote: post #2

FBI started out as the Pinkerton agency. They identified and intimidated/killed strikers, workers planning to unionize and anyone that got in the way of business. This isn't surprising.

Anti-Pinkerton Act passed in 1893, denied anyone working for the Pinkertons or similar organizations to work of the United States government or the District of Columbia.
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