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An Even Easier Introduction to CUDA

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Re: An Even Easier Introduction to CUDA

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Anyone know why the CUDA toolkit is 1.2GB? It seems extremely large to get started with. In comparison Vulkan which is only 130mb.

Drivers, a lot of libraries, and a bunch of sdk/profiling tools. I mean they bundle a custom eclipse, just to give some context.

Re: An Even Easier Introduction to CUDA

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This is great. But it seems like many almost every great tutorial has a step zero that is left out. In this case, for me at least, what is missing is: What's a good guide to choosing or building a CUDA system? Preferably a Linux non-laptop. Mostly for playing around with something that offers a bit more power than my day to day (very non-CUDA capable) laptop. Anyone have suggestions? I think there might be an EC2 sol…

If you are really interested, and willing to spend the time, you can get utterly fabulous perf/$

You can google the specifics, but you can build a powerful and stable system for about 300-400 dollars (a WHOLE system, including a CUDA compatible GPU, not just the GPU)

ALL of the following parts can be purchased from ebay(The minimums are taken from actual lists I've taken down while writing this post. There might be some errors - you have been warned, so don't blindly hit purchase if you're not sure. So if anyone has the patience please correct me)

{{Stuff}} are alternatives

CPU: Xeon - $12 - $50

Motherboard: $35-$60

RAM (24 gigs): $35-$50

Power supply: $40-$60 (don't skimp on this. Buy namebrand. Trust me on this one.)

Case: $34-$80 (Funny how this might cost more than any of the other parts I've listed until now. Protip - I made builds without a case, so this is optional, if you want to save $50 and buy a little bit better parts.)

GPU: GTX 1050 :$110-$120 (brand new!)

{{GTX 970 : $160-$180}}

HDD 320GB: $20

{{HDD 1TB: $40

SSD 128GB: $41}}

So adding up all the minimum prices minus case and including GPU: It's around $250. I don't think you can buy a good phone for around that price (Nexus 5x goes for around $270)

The above build price minimums are pretty absolute (with links below as proof) but I'd suggest spending around $250 for everything minus the GPU, since some parts might bottleneck performance of the GPU if you're handling lots of data.

A single processor Xeon which doesn't have problems (google processor model number to see if there are any) with Ubuntu server 16.04.1 would be rock solid. Don't ever listen to ANYONE saying install arch linux,centos, etc. The community + commercial recognition of Ubuntu for LTS version is unparalleled. (Redhat/Centos beats Ubuntu in commercial support but regular community support on stackoverflow and debugging using google? Ubuntu's for you)

Once you get comfortable with your device, get comfortable with Ubuntu (Install Xubuntu-desktop if you want to attach a physical keyboard+mouse), then get the GPU when you think you are almost ready to handle coding for CUDA and linux tools.

Links for verification here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-Match-Pair-E5620-Quad-Cor...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-01012MT00-000-G-N83VF-Server-Mo...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-80-PLUS-600W-ATX-12V-EPS-12V-Po...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VIVO-ATX-Mid-Tower-Computer-Gaming-P...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-GeForce-GTX-1050-DirectX-12-GTX-...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-GeForce-GTX-970-04G-P4-2978-KR-...

PS: Here's a recent post that's a great read. I suggest checking out the comments too:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/5r1zg2/plex_server_bu...

Re: An Even Easier Introduction to CUDA

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post #6

This is great. But it seems like many almost every great tutorial has a step zero that is left out. In this case, for me at least, what is missing is: What's a good guide to choosing or building a CUDA system? Preferably a Linux non-laptop. Mostly for playing around with something that offers a bit more power than my day to day (very non-CUDA capable) laptop. Anyone have suggestions? I think there might be an EC2 sol…

> Preferably a Linux non-laptop.

You've made this really easy on yourself. Cuda really isn't very picky once you get an NVidia GPU in it. And even a generation old mid-range NVidia GPU will give you plenty of compute performance to keep you busy for a long long time. And when it no longer meets your requirements, you'll have a very good idea why, and what your bottlenecks are.

Shop just like you would for any other Linux non-laptop, just with the requirement of an NVidia GPU. My only other recommendation is to steer away from items marketed too strongly at the performance gaming market, as they are sometime clocked beyond their reliability range.

Re: An Even Easier Introduction to CUDA

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After completing the basic tutorials I hit a mental wall when I want to gpu adapt some "real" code. The hard part isn't going from CPU to GPU but making the CPU code branch-free and friendly to a GPU before actually adapting to the GPU. Something that is fairly straightforward in normal CPU code such as a tree traversal becomes a nightmare of sparse execution masks and inefficient lone threads executing.

Re: An Even Easier Introduction to CUDA

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post #12
post #6

This is great. But it seems like many almost every great tutorial has a step zero that is left out. In this case, for me at least, what is missing is: What's a good guide to choosing or building a CUDA system? Preferably a Linux non-laptop. Mostly for playing around with something that offers a bit more power than my day to day (very non-CUDA capable) laptop. Anyone have suggestions? I think there might be an EC2 sol…

If you are really interested, and willing to spend the time, you can get utterly fabulous perf/$ You can google the specifics, but you can build a powerful and stable system for about 300-400 dollars (a WHOLE system, including a CUDA compatible GPU, not just the GPU) ALL of the following parts can be purchased from ebay(The minimums are taken from actual lists I've taken down while writing this post. There might be s…

Wow great intro, thanks! I've done builds before but it's been a while so this is really helpful.

Re: An Even Easier Introduction to CUDA

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post #16

Any suggestions on a cheap cloud compute engine to play with cuda that won't cost me a fortune as I learn? I have macbook pro. Is it better to just buy a nvidia GPU and throw it in?

It's like 60 cents an hour to run it on AWS. Just shut it down when your not using it.

Re: An Even Easier Introduction to CUDA

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After completing the basic tutorials I hit a mental wall when I want to gpu adapt some "real" code. The hard part isn't going from CPU to GPU but making the CPU code branch-free and friendly to a GPU before actually adapting to the GPU. Something that is fairly straightforward in normal CPU code such as a tree traversal becomes a nightmare of sparse execution masks and inefficient lone threads executing.

OK so basic background here: CUDA processing usually looks like some dimensional array of data (1d, 2d, 3d, etc). Then you have a series of "warps" which tesselate their way through your data space processing a chunk of elements at a time. The warps can be organized into larger "blocks" to share data between parts of the warp. Many blocks make up a "grid", which is more or less synonymous with "the processing elements of a kernel". A kernel is a GPU program.

Blocks can't communicate between each other since they may be on different SMX processor engines (SIMD units). Also, kernels can't communicate either according to spec. CUDA doesn't guarantee the order of kernel scheduling - but it is possible via undefined behavior with spinlocks.

Generally speaking - larger problem sizes should be better for you. GPUs suck at small individual tasks, starting and stopping the kernels [from the CPU] is expensive. They are good when they are doing as big a task as possible (asymptotically to a limit). Memory size will limit how big a data set you can work on, which will limit your total speedup. So overall, less memory usage = better speed.

You run lots and lots of threads at any time. GPUs are designed around the idea of massive threading, easily run dozens of threads per actual core. This covers up the massive latency when you need to go off-chip to load from global memory. You might run 10,000 threads in a program, and most of them will be sleeping while waiting for their data to load. When all threads in a warp are in READY state, the warp is scheduled and will execute.

As you note, GPUs don't work well when the threads are doing different stuff. For example, any threads that don't follow an "if" statement will just idle - because all threads in a warp execute in lockstep. They are masked off and their instructions don't affect their registers. If there are N different paths through the code, you will run it N times.

Architecture is critical to understand because this is actually bare-metal programming, like a microcontroller. There are very few niceties here. Memory is not zeroed between runs (actually not even during a soft PC restart). There is no virtual memory segmentation. Illegal accesses may not even throw, or they may trash your OS's viewport, crash the drivers, etc. And if you don't code around the architecture's limitations, your performance will suck balls.

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In terms of general advice: a lot of times, scanning your data to pre-process and select "active" areas of the problem is a viable strategy. Streaming data sequentially across a warp is a pretty efficient operation thanks to warp coalescing, you have mega amounts of bandwidth, etc.

Think real heavily about your data layout. Structure of arrays is often really good because it gives you an efficient stride of 1 as much as is possible when reading/writing. That maximizes your efficiency when coalescing warps. If you are having every thread fire off its own request with no coalescing - your IOPS will trash the memory controller's performance.

As an extremely broad stroke, the best general-purpose approach to GPU programming is to convert your task into a sorting or searching task. GPUs are really, really good at sorting, and there's many good algorithms out there, so you don't have to handle the low-level stuff until you get up to a big problem size (i.e. you are maxing out GPU memory). Pay very close attention to the Thrust "histogram.cu" example because it demonstrates these techniques.

So, one good approach is to find your active elements first. You can sort the active elements to the front of the array. Or, you can use something like a prefix scan/sum or a thrust::copy_if to pull out indexes of "active" elements efficiently, and then scatter your operations across the indexes. If your indexes are sequential, then you will get the maximum amount of warp coalescing that is possible. That may not be much if your "active" elements are very sparse and widely distributed, but at least you're trying, and you're ensuring that all your elements are active as much as possible.

Obviously, wherever possible you want to avoid redundant operations, just like on CPUs. Structure your data to avoid redundant sorting, consider whether you want in-place or stable-sorts, etc. But overall sorting is very efficient on GPUs. You avoid thread divergence, you align memory access, etc.

Another approach is "dynamic parallelism". So you scan your data, figure out where "hot spots" are that have a lot of data that needs processing, and you launch more compute resources there (your kernel can launch additional kernel instances where needed). Also, in some situations you may be able to do the above approach of picking out indexes that need processing and doing them all at once - but you do it into registers or shared RAM. That way you are still keeping your cores processing instead of idling, but you avoid the round-trip to global RAM. The downside is you increase pressure on your registers/SRAM, which are very very limited resources.

If a thread can't find an element to process in a particular place - there's actually no problem with having some of your threads continue on to the next area that the warp was going to process. Assuming a random distribution - on average most of your elements will be in approximately the same area, so you still get some coalescing, and there is really no reason to have the rest of the threads halt/diverge and wait for the active elements.

Another cute dynamic parallelism trick - most of the overhead from starting/stopping kernels is the overhead of syncing the device up to the CPU. Put your main loop in a kernel by itself, and have the kernel launch more processing kernels. Overhead gone, now the GPU is running 100% on its own. However - if you really do need to talk to the CPU, then you will have to spinlock and poll, which is undefined behavior. Again, possible but iffy.

I really fucking hate CURAND. It's absolute garbage to use, it eats tons of global memory, it eats tons of SRAM, it is very not good. Instead, I really like Random123. Essentially instead of a "stateful" generator like Mersenne Twister, it's based on encryption algorithms. If you accept the concept that the output of an encryption algorithm is uncorrelated to a changing input, then essentially the encryption key becomes your "seed", and encrypting the value 0 becomes the first output from the RNG, 1 becomes the second, etc.

The advantage of doing this is that you don't waste your precious memory bandwidth and SRAM on CURAND, and instead you get to use CPU cycles. Paradoxically, GPUs have absolutely insane bandwidth, but bandwidth is the second most precious resource. The only thing more important is SRAM, because you get like 100 bytes per core (note: not per thread, per core, for all threads) or something like that, for all your registers, cache, and shared variables CPU cycles are cheaper than dirt. If you can possibly compute something from some data you already have loaded, that will usually be more efficient than loading it from global memory.

Use some property of your data (say, an index, or a uid) as your key value for Random123 and you get essentially infinite RNGs for free. If you need to have different results across different runs (stochastic simulations) then just add the actual seed to the uid-key-value. By storing a single counter (the max counter value any single element has taken) you can maintain the individual states for every single generator in your set. Not only that, but you can seek to arbitrary places in your RNG sequence. Let's say you generate some property of your data randomly. You don't actually need to store that for each element - you can just store the counter value you used to generate that, you have the index of the data element you're working on, just re-generate it in place wherever you need it. It's free money. Wait no, free global memory, which means you can scale your program up, which means it runs faster. So basically free money. Even better, you can force it to be cached in every SRAM bank using the __constant__ keyword.

I have a really idiosyncratic style for CUDA. I typically start with Thrust (basically the C++ STL for CUDA), writing high-level functional operations. Then I figure out where I can squish operations together, which I move into functors (pass them the index of elements they're working on, plus the array head pointers, they do operations on memory). Functors are nice because Thrust will auto-balance the grid for you for good occupancy. You can then start porting stuff into raw __device__ functions, and then finally translate it to a __global__ function that allows warp and grid level collective operations.

Once you've got the high-level stuff done, you need to tune the low-level kernel behavior. As much as possible - avoid global-atomic operations, since they kill your performance (you bypass cache and operate directly on global memory, incurring latency with every call, and CAS updates tend to cause contention/spinning). Pre-process in your shared RAM as much as possible. CUB (Cuda UnBound) provides warp-level and block-level collective operations that are useful - for example, a prefix-sum can give you the output targets for each thread in a warp that has variable amounts of data (0, 1, many) that it needs to output, which replaces a whole bunch of atomic operations. etc.

However, again a caveat: writing these collective operations can often involve "sync points", like thread fences. These warp/block/global sync points are really expensive in terms of processing, since you will have a bunch of cores idling to wait up for the stragglers. In some cases it's again possible to avoid an explicit sync operation by clever exploitation of the CUDA scheduler (as above, with inter-grid communication: it's not really that smart). But this is obviously very much undefined behavior too.

Texture cache can sometimes also be helpful. Basically it lets you align data in multiple dimensions rather than just one - so you can have a 3D kernel reading values, and from the GPU perspective it looks like they're all aligned, even though you're reading chunks that are hugely off in flat memory space. But there's some caveats, IIRC you really need to set it up before you run a kernel (can't do it on the fly), and IIRC it's read-only.

Also, you can cleverly abuse the texture interpolation for free math sometimes. That's typically the best gains you'll get out of texture memory, but it comes at the cost of lots of extra latency.

In newer revisions of CUDA you can transparently page stuff from host memory and it will kinda try to keep the two memory spaces synced up or whatever. This is a really bad idea, you should think real carefully before using that feature (basically never). Your 300 GB/s memory system is suddenly limited to 16 GB/s over PCIe, and memory bandwidth is precious. Explicitly manage your device memory, explicitly say when you want stuff copied and fsync'd, and don't let the autopilot handle it.

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As for your specific problem of tree searching: this is really bad for GPUs. As you noticed, naieve tree algorithms are pretty much the worst case, they lead to lots of divergence which GPUs suck at. As much as possible - you want to convert things into internal "while" loops that can keep moving across your dataset if they don't find something in a specific place. Don't recurse, loop. But generally - the structures which work well for CPUs don't necessarily work well for GPUs. Especially if you insist on doing one operation at a time. Searching for one element in a tree sucks. Doing range queries or searching a couple hundred values is going to be a lot better.

I have always been fascinated with the idea of probabilistic data structures and GPUs. Maybe you don't know for sure where an element is stored, but with 2000 cores you can probably find it even if there's a few dozen places it might be. That avoids some of the traditional problems of lock contention/etc on traditional data structures. And when you need to rebalance - GPUs are good at that sort of thing, since it's more or less sorting.

Also, I feel like GPUs could be an interesting model for Erlang. Lots of threads idling with low overhead? That's Erlang. Efficient message passing would be a trick though, and the use-cases would be diametrically opposite. You would have high latency and efficient numerical processing.

I also think I should be able to implement EpiSimdemics with a similar model to this one, but that model isn't open source and Keith Bissett, the guy at Virginia Tech who runs that program, refused to return my calls when I asked for disease model parameters to validate against. Ah, academia.

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Ton of words here, and it's been years since I touched any of this stuff (couldn't find a job in my specialty and ended up programming Java - ugh) but you've inspired me to actually finally put the code for my grad thesis on github. It might be a worthwhile example of a real-world problem for you. Be gentle, it's my first time. I haven't touched it in years and there are a few minor things I know I screwed up (noted in the readme.md).

Repo: https://github.com/holvs/PandemicThrust

Thesis: http://scholarworks.wmich.edu/masters_theses/525/

IEEE conference paper (not very good IMO): http://ieeexplore.ieee.org.sci-hub.ac/document/7041000/

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Please see also:

Quick-start docs for the Thrust library, the actual easiest easiest introduction to CUDA that you ever will find, literally 10 lines for a hello-world program: https://thrust.github.io/

Thrust example programs (again, see "histogram.cu"): https://github.com/thrust/thrust/tree/master/examples

Re: An Even Easier Introduction to CUDA

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post #6

This is great. But it seems like many almost every great tutorial has a step zero that is left out. In this case, for me at least, what is missing is: What's a good guide to choosing or building a CUDA system? Preferably a Linux non-laptop. Mostly for playing around with something that offers a bit more power than my day to day (very non-CUDA capable) laptop. Anyone have suggestions? I think there might be an EC2 sol…

You have to pay attention to a few components. So

- fullsize case where a big 3-fan, 13" card won't run into the hard drive or DVD drive cables, if you choose to go that route (it seems to be easier to have multiple Founders edition cards than multiple OEM's, cooling-wise).

- for 2 or 3 fan OEM cards, you have to be moving a lot of air thru the case

- X99 /Z170 / Z97 motherboard (X99 has the highest allocation of PCI-e3 lanes to 2 or more GPU cards, and newegg does a good job of standardizing how they report lane allocations)

- and a beefy powersupply, 750+ watts and a bunch of PCI-e 6 or 8 pin connectors, and you shouldn't hit any constraints.

Also i recommend "Cuda for Engineers" by Storti /Yurtoglu as a good first cuda book, and the Wrox Pro C Cuda programming as 2nd book. There's another that just came out, Programming Massively Parallel Processors, Third Edition by Kirk /Hwu, that looks good but i haven't read it

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