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Alexa isn’t the future of AI–it’s a glorified radio clock, and stupid otherwise

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Re: Alexa isn’t the future of AI–it’s a glorified radio clock, and stupid otherwise

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> I can't wait until they are connected and I can issue a command to move streaming from one device to another one in another room Google Home can do this to a degree today. You are capable of saying things like "Play X on my TV." if your TV is wired up with a ChromeCast. In general, Google Home is very far ahead of Alexa. I agree with the opinion that Alexa is a glorified radio, but I don't believe that opinion exte…

You give a really vanilla use case and than suggest Google Home is superior. Can you give me a use case where it actually demonstrates it is far ahead. The Chromecast example isn't supporting your claim in my opinion.

Entertainment is the biggest use care for these devices IMO; Music and TV. I haven't used an Echo in a while, but it had nothing for TV and wasn't that great at music at the time. Does it have good support for both now?

Re: Alexa isn’t the future of AI–it’s a glorified radio clock, and stupid otherwise

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I don't get this rant. Alexa is still bleeding edge. It does some things really well. It does some things really poorly. There are lots of things it can't do. So the main complaint is that Alexa could be better, your point..? To me, right now it excels as an interface when you are busy doing something else. Ours is used most in the kitchen and living room. Timers, streaming music/audio and basic facts all work great.…

> I can't wait until they are connected and I can issue a command to move streaming from one device to another one in another room Google Home can do this to a degree today. You are capable of saying things like "Play X on my TV." if your TV is wired up with a ChromeCast. In general, Google Home is very far ahead of Alexa. I agree with the opinion that Alexa is a glorified radio, but I don't believe that opinion exte…

Alexa plus Plex just got this a day or two ago. I'd imagine that it'll happen with other services too.

Re: Alexa isn’t the future of AI–it’s a glorified radio clock, and stupid otherwise

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I don't get this rant. Alexa is still bleeding edge. It does some things really well. It does some things really poorly. There are lots of things it can't do. So the main complaint is that Alexa could be better, your point..? To me, right now it excels as an interface when you are busy doing something else. Ours is used most in the kitchen and living room. Timers, streaming music/audio and basic facts all work great.…

How about if it already knows you're Jim? I think understanding context is holding it back. Azure Cognitive Services has a speaker recognition service. I'm hopeful that Amazon will get there.

Re: Alexa isn’t the future of AI–it’s a glorified radio clock, and stupid otherwise

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52 comments and nobody mentions the NSA. Are you people aware that this is essentially a glorified bug?

Have you considered that maybe other people have thought about this and reached a different conclusion? I think calling it an NSA bug is pretty silly if you have a smartphone or laptop. How are those not bugs? All of these devices have microphones.

The Echo is less likely to be used as a bug than any other device because it's simple and single-purpose. When you are not using it, it is idle and will not use network throughput. That's trivially easy to monitor with my router. I can see how many gigabytes of data my TV downloads. If an Echo started consuming network throughput to upload audio when I was not using it, then that would be extremely suspicious and easy to notice. This ease of detection makes it a terrible covert surveillance device.

By comparison, I have little visibility into what my phone is streaming over its cellular connection, and devices like laptops, PCs, and Xboxes are so complicated that I cannot expect their network usage to be idle. It is unsurprising for these devices to download/upload potentially gigabytes of data while not in use, because some software has decided to patch in the background. These devices have local storage and could buffer audio and upload it during times of legitimate network activity. There is a lot of network activity in which covert surveillance could hide. This is not so with the Echo.

Additionally, your phone and laptop are far more juicy targets for the NSA or any attacker. These devices have your data! An attacker can break in and steal your documents or passwords or other data. And then they can also activate the microphone and listen to you! The Echo doesn't have any data on it, so it's not a juicy target. It's also stationary in one room and has far less ability to conduct effective surveillance on someone than the cell phone or laptop that they carry with them everywhere. Someone isn't going to take their Echo with them to the mosque or an important business meeting or whatever.

The Echo is far less complicated than smartphones and laptops (less stuff running on it), and so is less likely to have software defects that can be exploited remotely by attackers.

Re: Alexa isn’t the future of AI–it’s a glorified radio clock, and stupid otherwise

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I don't get the fascination with this tech. The computer in Star Trek at least had a personality and intonation in its voice when it responded, even though it sounded like a synthesized voice. The key here is intonation -- the infinitely varying way in which we vary the speed and pitch of our voices in response to another human being. It's very subtle and something Amaazon, Google and Siri have been unable to capture…

I think the value of these systems is when you have your hands full, or when getting out your phone or other UI is not convenient. "Alexa, turn on the lights". "Alexa, let the cat out". "Alexa, did I lock the door?" As soon as there are enough of these, it'll take off because it'll be useful. None of these things need real intelligence. Sure, intonation won't be great. But the convenience will override the imperfecti…

That's all I would ever want from an AI. I don't even need complicated answers, just a repeat of the requested task and maybe a confirmation before going ahead. More like air traffic control than a nuanced buttler.

That also lowers the possibility of it developing emotions and trying to subvert global politics from my toaster.

Re: Alexa isn’t the future of AI–it’s a glorified radio clock, and stupid otherwise

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52 comments and nobody mentions the NSA. Are you people aware that this is essentially a glorified bug?

How is it more of a bug than any phone or laptop you own? Sometimes it's even relatively easy to turn speakers into microphones!

Maybe nobody has brought this up because it's complete nonsense.

Re: Alexa isn’t the future of AI–it’s a glorified radio clock, and stupid otherwise

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You give a really vanilla use case and than suggest Google Home is superior. Can you give me a use case where it actually demonstrates it is far ahead. The Chromecast example isn't supporting your claim in my opinion.

Entertainment is the biggest use care for these devices IMO; Music and TV. I haven't used an Echo in a while, but it had nothing for TV and wasn't that great at music at the time. Does it have good support for both now?

I always try all these things as I am a junky like that but these things seem to have such limited use cases. Looking up and playing things on chromecast, for me, is faster using my phone than speech will ever be. So is controlling things in the house and with a phone I can open the catflap without waking my wife talking to Alexa. Switching on and off things is okish (phone or even a normal lightswitch are still faster and less hassle imho), but trying to look up what that great song from that obscure Norwegian black metal band was, of which the name is something Alexa does not parse and will take me 10 minutes to properly explain while it makes me sound like robot doing it; while via my phone I google it in seconds. I am really not convinced if this is not just gadgets because of gadgets. Or maybe I am just weird. Which is fine too.

Re: Alexa isn’t the future of AI–it’s a glorified radio clock, and stupid otherwise

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can't wait until they are connected and I can issue a command to move streaming from one device to another one in another room Google Home can do this to a degree today. You are capable of saying things like "Play X on my TV." if your TV is wired up with a ChromeCast. In general, Google Home is very far ahead of Alexa. I agree with the opinion that Alexa is a glorified radio, but I don't believe that opinion exte…

You give a really vanilla use case and than suggest Google Home is superior. Can you give me a use case where it actually demonstrates it is far ahead. The Chromecast example isn't supporting your claim in my opinion.

A really vanilla use case that Alexa can't do yet.

Re: Alexa isn’t the future of AI–it’s a glorified radio clock, and stupid otherwise

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Well, if it was "Alexa unlock the door." "Ok, what is the passcode." "123456" "Thanks, unlocking door." Now that I think of it, as someone that has 3 different 2f tokens.. smart watch integration would actually be useful in general... If I had a smart watch.

That's all just going the long way around. Why not just have the door (or Alexa) be able to talk Bluetooth to the watch to verify that it's there?

I'd like to be personally involved in some transactions. I think this will be a major use case for smart watches and a major feature of home interfaces (phone, smartwatch, or whatever has the totp) in the future.

Re: Alexa isn’t the future of AI–it’s a glorified radio clock, and stupid otherwise

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While mine has never 'accidentally' ordered anything or yelled about internet disconnect, I do agree with the conclusion that it ends up being a very specific device. For me, that is a connected speaker with good sound that I can gently manage from across the room. Good enough for me. On another note, my 2 year old son has always had a complicated relationship with 'her'. At one point, she red-ringed and would issue…

This is fascinating. It hadn't dawned on me that very small children growing up with these in their homes will have a very human response to them. A relationship regardless of the actual intelligence of the device.
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