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What should you think about when using Facebook?

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Re: What should you think about when using Facebook?

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>As you are crafting your message, Facebook collects your keystrokes.

Does anyone have evidence of this? Not surprising or difficult, of course, but while watching ajax traffic and typing into a status box I don't see obvious posts with either the text I'm typing or obscured blobs. On the other hand, there's plenty of ajax traffic polling for updates and sending other analytics.

Re: What should you think about when using Facebook?

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I wonder if the edge case has been tested wherein someone turning 18 retroactively withdraws consent their parents gave when uploading information about them while they were minors. Taking photos of other people and data mining them, especially minors, seems like something that is very probably illegal in at least a few states. Would be very curious if on someone's 18th birthday they can actually force Facebook to delete everything they have about them.

Re: What should you think about when using Facebook?

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post #79

The funny thing is, these are exactly the things I think about while on facebook. By being online for almost two decades I've developed a 6th sense for sketchy services and the whole UI of Facebook screams "SCAM!". The periodically reoccurring messages harassing you into uploading a picture of yourself, the prompt to denounce people who you believe are using a fake name or the vaguely described privacy settings don't…

> the prompt to denounce people who you believe are using a fake name

They actually do this? That's pretty scary

Re: What should you think about when using Facebook?

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post #84

This is an excellent blog post, though it made me sick reading it. I recently made the switch. I went from trying to limit how much I log in (to once or twice a week), to actually not logging in. I've been cold-turkey for two months (except for a couple of times when I had a very specific reason to check something). I thought it would be difficult. Turns out it's not so hard, and it's the fear of reduced social conta…

Strange; I've done the opposite. I engage with Facebook now more than ever. I'm 38 years old. I plan events with friends, I get to see their children grow up, new jobs, comfort them when they lose a parent.. There's never been a platform so emotionally engaging. It makes me feel in sync with their lives, even when I haven't seen them in a while. It's such an amazing platform.

> I get to see their children grow up, new jobs, comfort them when they lose a parent..

Do you though? I mean do you really get to see all those things? Having been through the loss of a parent and the arrival a new baby in the past couple of years I can tell you from this end of things there is no value in any online "presence" of friends and family.

The people who come to meet our new baby, who brought food, and who attended the funeral are the ones that actually impacted our lives and improved us and themselves. A DM or post in Instagram meant nothing - it feels more like the person is signaling human emotions than engaging in them.

Re: What should you think about when using Facebook?

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Turns out it's not so hard, and it's the fear of reduced social contact (or dopamine withdrawal more likely) that was stopping me. If you have a plan to replace the social interactions with other forms, you realise that the rest is just dross. This is the problem for me right now. I don't have a plan for replacing the social contact of facebook (and facebook isn't giving me anywhere close to what I need). I'm also…

I feel lucky in that I have a job that involves social interaction, but moving to a new city left me without any "third place". I definitely empathize with the loneliness that can stir up and so many public spaces seem designed around creating new social interactions between people who aren't already associated. I read an article not long ago about upscale private clubs. I'm strongly attracted to the status/networkin…

That's a cool idea, yep. My thing used to be volunteering at bike shop. It was free as long as I was working (which I enjoyed) and there was a lot of interaction. Having it fee-based instead of work-based would be cool too.

Re: What should you think about when using Facebook?

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Last week I permanently deleted my FaceBook account. All my data since 2007 (10 years) and friends gone. Well...apparently my data is still somewhere to be used as metadata... Still, I must say, this was a liberating experience. I don't go there anymore to see another cat/new born/fake news posts. I don't get get angry with dumb comments. I don't have to see at my friends are eating, selfies, etc.. My closest friends…

I must have deactivated 300 times. It's only ten clicks.

They always keep every bit of information on your account when reactivating. Facebook will never forget you--sadly.

(I would like to see a perment delete for all databases. I would like to see a bill go to congress, and then the Senate, that guarantees a complete wipe of our information. Or, if Donny is listening--a Presidential decree? That seems to be fashionable the last few days.)

Re: What should you think about when using Facebook?

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post #74

This is an excellent blog post, though it made me sick reading it. I recently made the switch. I went from trying to limit how much I log in (to once or twice a week), to actually not logging in. I've been cold-turkey for two months (except for a couple of times when I had a very specific reason to check something). I thought it would be difficult. Turns out it's not so hard, and it's the fear of reduced social conta…

> Turns out it's not so hard, and it's the fear of reduced social contact (or dopamine withdrawal more likely) that was stopping me. If you have a plan to replace the social interactions with other forms, you realise that the rest is just dross. This is the problem for me right now. I don't have a plan for replacing the social contact of facebook (and facebook isn't giving me anywhere close to what I need). I'm also…

I found meetup.com is a pretty good place for this, depending on where you are. It's a bunch of people looking for some kind of communal group based on shared interests (programming, political philosophy, SciFi, religion, learning Italian, hiking, etc.). Of course you have to find the right group that fits you, but when you do it's great.

Other places I've had success is with local political/activist groups and hobby groups (dance groups, martial arts groups). Again, you have to try a lot of groups to find the right one, but it's worth it.

Re: What should you think about when using Facebook?

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post #48
post #36

Genuine question : do you think a privacy oriented social network where users pay a small annual fee (around $5) would work? Think Whatsapp (use phone number as an id, no native discovery, only connect through phone contacts, encrypted user data only to prevent database leaks from causing damage) + Facebook (feed like feature, share photos, videos, direct messaging, group messaging). No user tracking, no ads, just a…

Not a chance. You want people to pay for that ? Even free alternative social networks like Diaspora or Ello failed to gain any traction. The network effects are just too strong. The next wave that will eventually unseat Facebook (the product) will have to be something entirely different. And it might even come from Facebook (the company).

I'm not sure it has to be entirely different. It could gain traction if it was better, and if it initially attracted the attention of a specific userbase (which would counteract the network effect).

Re: What should you think about when using Facebook?

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post #11

Even though Facebook by itself doesn't seem to provide much value anymore, it's incredible how much of a platform lock-in the have. For example, Facebook login becoming essentially a universal identity provider. The worst thing is even when you create a new account under a different name they still manage to track you down, and start suggesting adding friends from the old account. I wonder how they do this, by tracki…

It's interesting how identifiable you are just by compounding information provided by the browser: https://amiunique.org/fp

Browser fingerprint plus IP and/or geo location and I'd think you could get a fairly accurate guess of who you are.

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