Snap commits $2B over 5 years for Google Cloud infrastructure

Post by alexnewman » Fri, Feb 03, 2017, 4:11 PM UTC

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Why opt for Google if you're going to use containers in Kubernetes? You then become cloud agnostic. You can even move to your own datacenter at some point (relatively) easily. Dropbox built out their own environment (and did it migrating 500PB out of S3) [1] [1a]. As did Twitter [2]. And Facebook [3]. And GitLab [4] (too soon?) As well as Mixpanel [5]. Even Twilio is multi-cloud (last time I checked it was split betw…

Easily move? It seems to me that you have no serious experience in the real world. There's something called "data gravity", and the non-secondary issue of how to migrate a "live" system (in production) from one cloud to another over the course of typically several weeks. Moving from one cloud to another, even with containers, is never easy at large scale. (source: I have worked at AWS for 6 years, at VMware for 2, an…

Post by alexnewman » Fri, Feb 03, 2017, 4:11 PM UTC

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #32

toomuchtodo wrote: post #22

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Why opt for Google if you're going to use containers in Kubernetes? You then become cloud agnostic. You can even move to your own datacenter at some point (relatively) easily. Dropbox built out their own environment (and did it migrating 500PB out of S3) [1] [1a]. As did Twitter [2]. And Facebook [3]. And GitLab [4] (too soon?) As well as Mixpanel [5]. Even Twilio is multi-cloud (last time I checked it was split betw…

Easily move? It seems to me that you have no serious experience in the real world. There's something called "data gravity", and the non-secondary issue of how to migrate a "live" system (in production) from one cloud to another over the course of typically several weeks. Moving from one cloud to another, even with containers, is never easy at large scale. (source: I have worked at AWS for 6 years, at VMware for 2, an…

Post by vgt » Fri, Feb 03, 2017, 4:13 PM UTC

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> And when EC2 falls over, like it tends to do a few times a year? Multi-AZ, multi-region complete failures are very, very rare. How often do you get a failure in your data center per year (that you notice)? > You're going to be writing a lot of the same fallover code if you're running on someone else's hardware, so why rent? The answer is in the question -- when rented things fall down and go boom™, your code runs a…

>Multi-AZ, multi-region complete failures are very, very rare. How often do you get a failure in your data center per year (that you notice)? First, if you don't notice some random/unexpected EC2 instance failures, you don't have a big EC2 deployment. Even though there is a lot of pomp and circumstance around the cloud, when it comes down to it, your instances are still on a physical server in a datacenter somewhere…

Post by late2part » Fri, Feb 03, 2017, 4:38 PM UTC

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On the one hand - you're right. Google is good, I use GCP, they are competent and good to work with. On the other hand "someone who has an entire product devoted to that one area, and has many years of experience and is probably the largest provider on the planet for that service" also describes Enron at the time. Google's no Enron, but Size isn't the metric one should use.

Parent listed 3 metrics. I don't think it's fair to pull one out and attack that instead of the combination of all 3.

Post by zhengyi13 » Fri, Feb 03, 2017, 4:45 PM UTC

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Facebook reported $27 billion in revenue in 2016. Snap reported $400 million. You're talking two orders of magnitude lower than Facebook and almost three lower than Google. Snap simply does not have the resources to pour into custom data centers, even if they can raise $2 billion for infra over 5 years. Unless they have serious talent already, they're not going to match Google's massive 15 year investments by a long…

>"Snap simply does not have the resources to pour into custom data centers, even if they can raise $2 billion for infra over 5 years." They have 1800+ employees as disclosed in their filing. So clearly people resources are not a problem for SNAP. Do you believe its not possible to build 4 datacenter - 2 US, 1 EU and 1 APAC datacenter for 2 billion dollars? These are tangible assets that you can depreciate as well. Th…