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Re: Snap commits $2B over 5 years for Google Cloud infrastructure

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Needing this amount of resources implies that Snap is expecting huge growth. This sounds like a really bad move on their part and they should have committed to building out their own infrastructure on 'bare metal' over the next 5 years instead. If you read their S-1, they list a dependence on Google cloud as one of their big risk factors. Yet they then go ahead and make this commitment instead of working towards elim…

I love Hacker News, where a random person can tell a company their $2 billion plan on infrastructure is "a really bad move" with authority

To be fair, that company is run by these same 'random persons' that are commenting here.

Re: Snap commits $2B over 5 years for Google Cloud infrastructure

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Nop. By user I mean per person, not company. Now take a deep breath and think about the scale of Google Cloud.

Wow. What takes that much storage per user? Genome sequencing?

Healthcare? Hmmmm, NSA, now that I can believe as they could actually afford it.

Re: Snap commits $2B over 5 years for Google Cloud infrastructure

#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nop. By user I mean per person, not company. Now take a deep breath and think about the scale of Google Cloud.

Wow. What takes that much storage per user? Genome sequencing?

Healthcare? Hmmmm, NSA, now that I can believe as they could actually afford it.

Re: Snap commits $2B over 5 years for Google Cloud infrastructure

#114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nop. By user I mean per person, not company. Now take a deep breath and think about the scale of Google Cloud.

Wow. What takes that much storage per user? Genome sequencing?

Yes (+ associated analysis).

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2016/08/stanford-medi... or https://www.broadinstitute.org/google

Re: Snap commits $2B over 5 years for Google Cloud infrastructure

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Needing this amount of resources implies that Snap is expecting huge growth. This sounds like a really bad move on their part and they should have committed to building out their own infrastructure on 'bare metal' over the next 5 years instead. If you read their S-1, they list a dependence on Google cloud as one of their big risk factors. Yet they then go ahead and make this commitment instead of working towards elim…

Facebook reported $27 billion in revenue in 2016. Snap reported $400 million. You're talking two orders of magnitude lower than Facebook and almost three lower than Google. Snap simply does not have the resources to pour into custom data centers, even if they can raise $2 billion for infra over 5 years. Unless they have serious talent already, they're not going to match Google's massive 15 year investments by a long…

Is the comparison to Google's investments a good benchmark? Sometimes it's better to make something custom than to buy from a big corporation doing a more general thing at 100x your scale.

Re: Snap commits $2B over 5 years for Google Cloud infrastructure

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This makes no sense. One cannot spend $33M a month on Google Cloud. (Remember that it's half the price of AWS, and given a contract of that magnitude it's possible that they negotiated yet another half off). The amount of hardware and services one would get for that bill is insane. Snapchat doesn't need that much computing power and storage.

As someone who works for a billion dollar tech company moving to aws, I totally believe that level of spending.

You should move to GCP -- you'll spend less! :D

Re: Snap commits $2B over 5 years for Google Cloud infrastructure

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If I could do it all over again I would probably opt for Google. The Kubernetes support is wonderful and the overall user experience blows AWS out of the water.

Why opt for Google if you're going to use containers in Kubernetes? You then become cloud agnostic. You can even move to your own datacenter at some point (relatively) easily. Dropbox built out their own environment (and did it migrating 500PB out of S3) [1] [1a]. As did Twitter [2]. And Facebook [3]. And GitLab [4] (too soon?) As well as Mixpanel [5]. Even Twilio is multi-cloud (last time I checked it was split betw…

Regarding gitlab, they have decided against moving to bare metal for now. (Can't find the HN comment from the gitlab ceo to link here)

Re: Snap commits $2B over 5 years for Google Cloud infrastructure

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If I could do it all over again I would probably opt for Google. The Kubernetes support is wonderful and the overall user experience blows AWS out of the water.

I did do it all over again (at a different company) and tried Google. And it does blow AWS out of the water. I don't regret hand-installing Kubernetes on AWS, if only because I know a lot more about how it works now. But I rather just spin it up with GKE.

Glad to hear GKE's working well for you -- thanks hosh and whalesalad!

We do invest a lot in making Google Container Engine a great experience, including integrating it with other parts of GCP (e.g., IAM [1]), but at the same time, the core is plain vanilla Kubernetes.

[1] https://cloud.google.com/container-engine/docs/iam-integrati...

Re: Snap commits $2B over 5 years for Google Cloud infrastructure

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Precisely. Google Cloud is a good idea when you don't know how much infrastructure you need. Of course, maybe they got some killer promotional deal with Google. Seems likely.

> Of course, maybe they got some killer promotional deal with Google For sure. How much is this free marketing that Google cloud service is getting worth? I'm pretty sure whatever discounted deal Google gave Snap is more than made up by this free marketing blitz they're getting.

Snap’s been a happy and public customer for some time, so any “free marketing blitz” would a) have essentially been used up before, and b) would truly have to be remarkable to work against some form of discount where the non-discounted remainder /still/ represents $2,000,000,000 over four years.
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