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Mozilla closes Connected Devices division, lays off 50

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Re: Mozilla closes Connected Devices division, lays off 50

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I know, I read the same reviews so I was pleasantly surprised. I even went back to the store a few days later and bought dad his first smart phone for Christmas. It really is quite criminal how slow android is on machines that would have been unimaginably high powered desktops not long ago. Firefox/gecko has always been great on "underpowered" hardware though. A few years ago I bought an unusably slow android tablet.…

To say you are comparing apples to oranges would be an understatement. Your comparison went from kind of making sense to making no sense at all.

Which comparison? I was comparing firefox OS to android and later saying how good firefox performance is in general.

Re: Mozilla closes Connected Devices division, lays off 50

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There is a lot of competition in the phone market because that's where the customers are. Desktop OSes are becoming less and less relevant.

This is true. It may not be a truth people in professional circles like to here. But PCs used to be mass market consumer products in the 90s (during the internet boom) but now Smartphones, tablets and in some cases set top boxes have taken their place.

This is exactly the kind of argument I'm trying to burn to the ground in the second part of my comment above (see "nerd niche itch"). You write this, thinking that you're revealing some uncomfortable truth that the bubbleheads don't understand. But the real truth is that Chromebooks are killing.

The penetration Chromebooks have made in education is huge. And even if it were an entirely no-profit/break-even situation, the idea of millions of students and public library patrons doing work on a "Firebook", and that it would be a serious contender to Windows-based PCs in a number of IT departments, is so perfectly aligned with Mozilla's ideals that it makes me sick to think about, especially juxtaposed with the hundreds of millions that Mozilla Corp has thrown away in the go-nowhere endeavors that it did pursue.

Re: Mozilla closes Connected Devices division, lays off 50

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The original announcement that Netscape would release Mozilla as open source included some FAQs, including one question along the lines of "are you going to release your own operating system?" The answer was that there was no good reason to build an operating system on a browser. If only they had remembered that!

> The answer was that there was no good reason to build an operating system on a browser. Because Chromebooks are such a failure right.

Maybe it's where I live, but I can only remember seeing one Chromebook, and that was years ago.

The fact that many people believed the dream -- including myself twenty years ago -- doesn't make the dream any more realistic. Eventually, people notice that they would like to do more things than their browser allows them to.

So, yes it is true that people have been willing to migrate to cheaper, limited computers (but mainly tablets and phones; not tiny laptops). But those computers are not generally modeled after using the browser for everything.

Re: Mozilla closes Connected Devices division, lays off 50

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> The answer was that there was no good reason to build an operating system on a browser. Because Chromebooks are such a failure right.

Are you comparing the web now to the web then? I would even argue that Chromebooks are a pretty big flop.

By what metric?

Re: Mozilla closes Connected Devices division, lays off 50

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The original announcement that Netscape would release Mozilla as open source included some FAQs, including one question along the lines of "are you going to release your own operating system?" The answer was that there was no good reason to build an operating system on a browser. If only they had remembered that!

I found it ( http://www-archive.mozilla.org/docs/mozilla-faq.html ), question 4.1:

"4.1) How about a Mozilla Operating System?

"Mozilla is positioned well as an application software. However, it makes very little sense to try to make Mozilla into an operating [system], almost as little sense as it would to make a Word Processor or a MP3 player into one. Beyond technical reasons, the operating system market is currently glutted, and a new entry would be unlikely to attract enough users to ensure the writing of drivers for a new system, a critical mass point. People who want to work on an operating system no doubt would be welcomed by the BSD teams, the Linux team, the Freedows team, or any of the many other open source operating system groups out there."

That analysis appears to have applied to webOS just as clearly as it had applied to the desktop and laptop market a decade earlier.

And just to twist the knife a little more, the last sentence in the answer to 4.2 is "Reinvention of the wheel is a poor use of volunteers."

Re: Mozilla closes Connected Devices division, lays off 50

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I don't know where journalists get their facts, but this article is terrible. 1) FirefoxOS was killed a year ago. 2) We never attempted to bring FxOS to other kind of connected devices beyond phones and TVs. If they had took the time to check the projects being worked on (see https://wiki.mozilla.org/Connected_Devices/Projects ) they would have understood the activities a bit better. For instance, the device built fo…

At least in outside communication, a year ago Mozilla only said they are shifting Firefox OS from phones to other devices and IoT [1]. Then they went on to do some smart TV stuff but were looking at other applications as well.

[1] https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/02/04/next-step...

Re: Mozilla closes Connected Devices division, lays off 50

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I rooted for the success of Firefox OS. They treated the developer very well -- sent me a Keon, even paid for the custom fees, just over a verbal promise that I would port my app to the platform. And the idea was fantastic - pure HTML5, like WebOS was.

(At that time I was talking with some manufacturers, they had a need of including locally-made apps in their phones - their proposals were essentially giving over the app, and I would have to guarantee that it worked on their phone, and they would not give one to me!)

IMHO a huge mistake was to pursue the mythical "$25 phone for the poor people". Poor people buy iPhones because this is the primary computing device they have. Lisa Simpson-like deeds, like the "bro" file extension discussion.

Re: Mozilla closes Connected Devices division, lays off 50

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So they're laying off 50 people, yet hiring for roughly comparable jobs.[1] [1] https://careers.mozilla.org/listings/

And these folks will probably have a chance to switch; IIRC something similar happened during Firefox OS (I'm not sure.)

In Mozilla you usually get hired for a specific position; programmers (or anyone, really) aren't liquid resources to be moved around randomly between teams. Larger companies have enough going on that if a project is shut down there's usually some other project to shift to that works for both the team and the programmer. Mozilla only has a thousand employees, so there will be very few openings to choose from based on your experience level, field, and interests.

From the original CNet article:

> Some affected employees are getting new roles in Mozilla, but those losing jobs get severance and job-hunting benefits, Mozilla said. Although about 50 people are affected by the cut, some might stay at Mozilla since they can apply for new positions, some of which Mozilla opened early to ease the pain of the layoffs.

Also, from the CNet article:

> "We have shifted our internal approach to the internet-of-things opportunity," Mozilla said in a statement, "to step back from a focus on launching and scaling commercial products to one focused on research and advanced development, dissolving our connected devices initiative and incorporating our internet-of-things explorations into an increased focus on emerging technologies."

The "layoffs" aren't because of money reasons, it's just a project being shut down.

Re: Mozilla closes Connected Devices division, lays off 50

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Is it possible that they are collecting resumes online but never hiring or interviewing the candidates? The resumes would be used as evidence that they tried to hire Americans but didn't consider any of the applicants to be qualified. This evidence was used to file visa applications.

I've seen this done for less nefarious reasons, whereby a company will keep advertising for positions, but just not hire anyone. This is because not advertising jobs is a strong negative signal that business is in trouble.

And plenty of places will find a budget, even if there isn't one ordinarily, for an extraordinary candidate.

But, as was pointed out above, this isn't a money-saving exercise, this is giving up on a field.

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