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There are plenty of bad parts too. The start menu keeps freezing regularly for me on multiple machines. Searching in the start menu returns random results. Settings scattered across multiple control panels is just absurd. In-OS advertising is a complete no go to me. The nagging to use edge too. The frequent forced reboots and full screen notifications are a nuisance. And it makes it really difficult to change default…

The start menu tries to connect to the internet when you search. It has an offline mode, but if you have an intermittent connection it will just hang forever. Opening an application should never require a connection.

I think it is something else. I disabled all web searches and these machines are connected to the internet with fiber optic.

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No wonder that Win10 fails like Win8 - Microsoft doesn't care about users, they only care about their shareholders. Win8 and Win10 looks like designed by color blind designers with a bad taste the brutalism of UI design plus the phone-home spyware features that cannot be deactivated. Windows 7 is too good and the perfect OS, if you don't install some recent spyware updates it will last at least until 2020 - and who k…

I rather like the clean aesthetic of Windows 10, and am now using it as my main OS. Sure, it's by no means perfect, and there is still work to be done. But by and large I am happier with Windows 10 than with MacOS, Ubuntu, GNOME, and so on. Oh, and the whole "spyware" trope is becoming overworn. User analytics is here to stay, and practically every website and browser does it anyway. At least you can disable it in Wi…

> User analytics is here to stay, and practically every website and browser does it anyway. At least you can disable it in Win 10 if you are so inclined. Me - I would gladly give Microsoft my data to they can prioritize features for windows 10.

User analytics and tracking everywhere (including IRL with for instance face recog in shops), Facebook curious to know if they can manipulate the mood of their users, Google/Microsoft/Amazon investing in "big AI", Money doesn't grow on trees, Do the maths.

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I must be in the huge minority. I haven't had a single issue with Windows 10 (if we disregard privacy). Literally everything has just worked. I will say thinking about it that my computer used for 99.99% gaming/internet/text documents. I keep anticipating that something is going to go horribly wrong but so far it's been great. I hate the menu and store that it shows so almost everything I tend to open has a shortcut…

I run - using the word very loosely - Win 10 on a mid-spec 8GB Dell Laptop. It's literally unusably slow. Opening File Manager takes many minutes. This is practically a fresh install. I have Office 365 installed, but very little else. I don't even have a mail client set up. I dual-boot to Ubuntu on the same machine, and the latter is perfectly usable.

Windows 10 file explorer has a weird, terrible, default that causes it to be painfully slow.

Try right clicking a slow folder, selecting properties, select the customize tab, then change "optimise this folder for:" from whatever it is to "general". Apply that to all sub-folders.

Please let me know if it works, because I have a bit of a rant for MS if it does.

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I somewhat agree. I have to use Windows from time to time and it's usually Windows 10. I disliked Windows 8 so much, but Windows 10 is overall good IMO. But, honestly, comparing to something like Windows NT 4.0, I can't really say, why Windows 10 is better. There might be tiny things here and there, but overall experience is similar. The only Windows releases I remember were those particularly bad (Vista, 8) and thos…

When is the last time you used Windows NT? I find new features are so ingrained in my workflow that I don't even realize they're new.

I use it in a VM now and then. The only thing from the later versions i'd want to see is adding thumbnails in the file browser, being able to right click in a start menu entry to show the file/folder properties without going through explorer , being able to search apps and recent documents with win+[text] and being able to drag the taskbar buttons to reorder them.

Beyond that Windows NT's interface is just perfect. And TBH none of the above are really essential, just small quality of life things. But even without those i'd be fine.

I think modern Windows add too many little distractions with icons, notifications/popups, gadgets, etc everywhere.

Also the classic theme. I want that back. I run Win7 with the classic theme and Windows 9x/NT4 color scheme (the one with the soft light in the 3d elements, not the "Windows Classic" in 2K/XP/Vista/7 which lacks it - i had to import the colors through a reg file from NT to get them) and i like how it looks. I used Win8 and Win8.1 for a while and ran a hack that disabled theme files (which forced Windows to fallback to the classic theme) but that broke Metro/UWP apps. It wasn't an issue with Win8.x but Win10 uses UWP apps everywhere and it becomes unusable. It might sound a frivolous reason, but i reverted back to Win7 because i don't like how newer Windows look like.

Since i don't expect Microsoft to do any of the above, my long term plan is to make my own environment that looks like Windows NT 4 in Linux :-P.

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Your second point doesn't really hold up - I'm a Windows 10 user, and I don't spend any time even considering Linux UI alternatives because you could show me one that I liked twice as much as Windows and I still wouldn't want to use Linux for my day to day stuff. I actually don't mind the Windows 10 UI as it happens, but if there were the variety of options for Windows that there are for Linux, I'd certainly see if I…

If people actually cared about it that much, at the very least there'd be some 3rd-party program available for Windows that would improve the UI, and it'd be selling like hotcakes. I've never heard of any. Same goes for MacOS, iOS, and Android.

How about WindowBlinds? http://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/

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Holy sh*t. Are you sure you don't have some malware screwing things up? None of those things are even close to "normal" or "acceptable".

I've literally wiped the whole drive, went back to Win 7 - everything was fine. Upgraded back to Win 10 and had all the same problems again.

Have you tried a fresh install of Windows 10, rather than an upgrade? (Once you've upgraded once, you should be able to install fresh as the Win 10 license is tied to the hardware.) Perhaps the problem is related to the upgrade process.

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> but the alternative is not changing anything and waiting 5 years while everything gets rolle dup. Windows 7 was released 7.5 years ago, and Windows 8 was released 4.5 years ago. Whether or not they make interim releases, Microsoft clearly cannot pull off a user interface overhaul in any reasonable span of time.

You underestimate the complexity and depth of Windows. There's a TON of forms and code out there and you literally cannot just port that 15-30 year old C code to C# without taking a step back to think about the design and functionality of the new screen. There's a LOT of work that goes into each transition from ancient Win32 to a modern interface.

The complexity is mind blowing. And yet, does it need to be? Recently I started looking at how Windows Update works. It self-updates first with a reasonably complex web services API, then it has this ridiculious way of checking what is installed by looking at undocumented registry keys and even loads its own registry component hive.

It then works out via web services what needs to be updated, and uses deltas to download file chunks.

It downloads and installs the new updates into the winsxs folder, then updates hardlinks from this folder into the c:\windows\system32 directory, but does not remove the old package.

Then it installs the updates, which can be done with a cab file, mum file, msi file or some other mechanism.

To do all if this it uses WSUS, Component Based Servicing (CBS), Component Servicing Interface (CSI), Windows Side by Side (winsxs), NTFS link features, Windows Installer and probably much more besides.

And yet it is unbelievably fragile. I can't tell you how many times I've found broken packages. Microsoft have turned on CBS logging on all systems and recently I've found that hard drives have run out of space because it has taken up gigabytes of space (this is because Microsoft archives log files in CAB files, but these have 2GB limits and if the log file goes over 2 GB it can't handle this), gigabytes of dusk space is taken up with useless old updates that until very recently you couldn't remove.... the datastore.edb file is massive and can corrupt, security patches had issues because there have been so many of them and Microsoft had to make a new CAB file format, and Windows 7 and later has the most insane package dependency generating algorithm that I kid you not but it spends hours just generating it. Some of this stuff still hasn't been fixed.

Then I look at a Debian based system. I've literally never had an issue I couldn't work out how to solve in 10 minutes. It just works, and in an incredibly fast time - and I virtually never have to reboot!

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Profit. How else is Microsoft (or any other company) going to make money off software no one needs or wants? Other than rehashing the same old product and pushing it onto users for more money, more surveillance, or both, they have nothing of value to sell on the software side. Even if they did have something of value to sell, over 90% of the people have already bought their product. Gotta keep the cash rolling in so…

I don't quite follow. You seem to be saying that Microsoft make changes just to justify the release of a new OS version. But they announced quite a while ago that they would never release a new major version. There will never be a Windows 11, you will never pay to upgrade Windows to the new version again. They adopted the macOS platform, where the OS sticks to a single version and gets an incremental annual update (m…

And yet, they have set an End of Life for Windows 10 in 2025. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifec...

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I can't get over this. It doesn't help that the search (start>type) constantly doesn't find apps I'm looking for. It's to the point where I'm pinning everything to my taskbar. My workflow for a decade or more was to hit the Windows key then start typing to find indexed apps. It's almost useless to me now and I don't really get why.

> I don't really get why I got looking. It's an acknowledged bug. MS isn't even calling it a feature. It's just about as old as Windows 10, and unfixed.

I'm not what the point is, given there are probably hundreds of bugs that somebody would say "This is the #1 worst bug in Windows 10." But for me, this is the #1 worst bug in Windows 10.

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That is the tragedy of win10. It's actually a great OS but the lack of respect for user preferences around privacy and updates ruins it for power users. I have to think that the engineers who did the work to make win10 as efficient and stable as it is had cortana and dark UI patterns shoved down their throats. cortana is clippy, we all know that. Who thought it was a good idea to bring back clippy?! Could not have be…

There are plenty of bad parts too. The start menu keeps freezing regularly for me on multiple machines. Searching in the start menu returns random results. Settings scattered across multiple control panels is just absurd. In-OS advertising is a complete no go to me. The nagging to use edge too. The frequent forced reboots and full screen notifications are a nuisance. And it makes it really difficult to change default…

The dual control panels are ridiculous. I shouldn't have to go through two totally different interfaces just to change the mouse pointer speed. Type 'mouse' in the start menu, click the result, option isn't there, click 'Additional mouse options', totally different interface appears, go to the Pointer Options tab, drag the slider.

And I know this one has been done to death, but the privacy issue really is a major one - it seems to have expanded so much since the Win 7 days. There are several pages of scary privacy things to untick when installing Win 10, and then some optional ones are still enabled after you untick everything, so you've then got 16 (sixteen!) pages of privacy options in the control panel to check after install.

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