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Re: Snap Inc. S-1

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> Snap Inc. is a camera company interesting statement from a company that just released their first camera (Spectacles) few months ago. i'm not sure if their users see them as a camera company.

Why can't a camera be software? Top 5 cameras on Flickr are iPhones. Software is eating the world, including photography.

Re: Snap Inc. S-1

#82

It's great to see both founders ( Evan and Bobby ) ended out with equal shares, both at 21.8% of Common A Stock. The history is pretty interesting, and as always there is a possible 3rd founder. https://techcrunch.com/2013/07/31/spiegel-murphy-say-alleged...

Why is it great? It seems a super low probability that both founders deserve exactly the same compensation.

Re: Snap Inc. S-1

#83

"We have committed to spend $2 billion with Google Cloud over the next five years and have built our software and computer systems to use computing, storage capabilities, bandwidth, and other services provided by Google, some of which do not have an alternative in the market." There's some numbers for you that Google wouldn't have provided (as far as I have seen).

Is it not possible to build your own "alternative in the market" for $2 billion?

Why take the chance when you're about to have a lot of IPO cash? Go with Google for a few years until you (hopefully) become FB. Right now they'll focus on features, signing advertisers and users.

Re: Snap Inc. S-1

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post #16

> Snap Inc. is a camera company interesting statement from a company that just released their first camera (Spectacles) few months ago. i'm not sure if their users see them as a camera company.

This line was included to convince investors they have product vision considering that until Spectacles they were completely locked into Apple and Google's mobile platforms. Presumably some type of light sensing device will always exist. Will they become a product company that makes per unit margins? Maybe not.

Re: Snap Inc. S-1

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post #16

> Snap Inc. is a camera company interesting statement from a company that just released their first camera (Spectacles) few months ago. i'm not sure if their users see them as a camera company.

Maybe it has to do with how investors view hardware vs. software companies. Social networks are much more volatile than hardware products and hardware companies are more stable.

Of course, labelling themselves as camera company isn't going to fool HN, but it might be viewed in a different light by investors.

Re: Snap Inc. S-1

#87

"We have committed to spend $2 billion with Google Cloud over the next five years and have built our software and computer systems to use computing, storage capabilities, bandwidth, and other services provided by Google, some of which do not have an alternative in the market." There's some numbers for you that Google wouldn't have provided (as far as I have seen).

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Re: Snap Inc. S-1

#88
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it not possible to build your own "alternative in the market" for $2 billion?

This, and related topics, always makes me laugh a bit. Mostly because people and companies will defend either move, with terms such as "focusing on the core business" or, opposite that statement, as "vertical integration". From my mostly uninformed POV, a company can do whatever they want with respect to this and be on good ground, making it an arbitrary decision with little basis in actual objectivity.

That both directions can seem like a good idea to a speculating outsider doesn't mean the decision is an arbitrary one. It means the deciding factors aren't something we're privy to.

Re: Snap Inc. S-1

#89

Serious question: how does Snapchat spend so much money on infrastructure? How could the app run up a $2b Google Cloud tab? Would anyone care to break it down?

Second.

At that scale (160M active users [0]) I guess they could easily develop and run their own infrastructure. $2bn just screams 'inefficient implementation' to me... I could be wrong though.

[0] https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/02/snap-ipo/

Re: Snap Inc. S-1

#90
post #77

"We have incurred operating losses in the past, expect to incur operating losses in the future, and may never achieve or maintain profitability." haha

This is boilerplate S1 language.

May I ask why? What would companies get out of doing that?
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