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Circuit building: stop using antique parts (2014)

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Re: Circuit building: stop using antique parts (2014)

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post #17

Mechanical relays are not obsolete. They can have lower resistance and capacitance than solid state equivalents. A good relay is a very close approximation to a plain wire when closed. Relays are still commonly used for RF switching.

RF grade relays will cost you an arm and a leg though.

I think a lot of ham radio gear just uses standard relays for switching RF signals. Apparently they work well enough in many applications.

Re: Circuit building: stop using antique parts (2014)

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Is there a good reference for potential upgrades to old, obsolete-ish parts? I definitely understand that many of the old logic ICs, transistors, and op-amps have been displaced by better parts, but I don't always know how to identify them short of a parametric search on digikey and hoping there's not some sharp corner I missed. I'd find a lot of value in a page that had some recommendations for "Are you using for ? Consider !"

Re: Circuit building: stop using antique parts (2014)

#43
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Separate from my other comment. I'm pretty much switched over entirely to AxeFX for my guitar & bass setup these days but I've been building circuits lately and figure instrument & vocal effects would be cool projects. Any places I should get started looking?

I'm still resisting the AxeFx but being short on space and a growing stack of rack gear waiting to get fixed might push me over the edge soon :-] There's a pretty classic book called Electronic Projects for Musicians that might be of interest: https://msu.edu/~dougl126/Electronic%20Projects%20for%20Musi...

Sold all my heads, pedals, cabs. Have just the Axe and a FRFR wedge now. Best decision I ever made.

Re: Circuit building: stop using antique parts (2014)

#44
post #36

I build a lot of guitar effects, and that community is even worse when it comes to attachement to obsolete components. The discontinuation of J201 JFETs (in TO-92 through hole package at least) by Fairchild has caused a lot of upset. My perspective, not widely shared, is that JFETs in general have been made obsolete by depletion-mode MOSFETs, at least in audio circuits. Part of the reason, I think, is that a lot of "…

I'm a noob builder (constructed my first pedal a week ago, woo) but I can kinda understand this. Most effects tend to overdrive their components. This by definition means that they operate beyond what a datasheet and the manufacturer specifies. Tiny differences that aren't noticeable when going by the specs can become much more obvious when hearing it overdriven. Yes, the community is really based in "older is always…

There's a difference between overloading components and overdriving them. If you overdrive an amplifier (the circuit element, not the finished product) all you are doing is presenting it with an input signal with a greater amplitude than it can faithfully reproduce at the output, causing it to distort. It can still be operating perfectly happy within the manufacturer's specs as stated on the datasheet. I think you're thinking of overload, which isn't something you would typically find or hear outside of a power amp stage, typically a valve one.

Re: Circuit building: stop using antique parts (2014)

#45
post #17

Mechanical relays are not obsolete. They can have lower resistance and capacitance than solid state equivalents. A good relay is a very close approximation to a plain wire when closed. Relays are still commonly used for RF switching.

I use mechanical relays to switch AC power for pumps and similar AC motor loads using DC signals from Arduinos and similar. I have very very little experience with electrical engineering (I'm in the Lego mindset of I plug things in according to things I find online until they work), but is there something I should be using instead with 120V ~3-5 A loads?

You could use an opto-coupled triac but honestly for a hobby project a relay is a lot simpler.

http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/blog/optocoupler.html

Re: Circuit building: stop using antique parts (2014)

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I build a lot of guitar effects, and that community is even worse when it comes to attachement to obsolete components. The discontinuation of J201 JFETs (in TO-92 through hole package at least) by Fairchild has caused a lot of upset. My perspective, not widely shared, is that JFETs in general have been made obsolete by depletion-mode MOSFETs, at least in audio circuits. Part of the reason, I think, is that a lot of "…

Guitar d00ds having obscure, nonsensical reasons for things because "mah tones!"? Say it ain't so. I mean, nearly every tube head on the market has an essentially pointless standby/bypass switch because of the mistaken belief that you need to warm up your tubes for some arbitrary amount of time in a modern amp and keep them warm. I forget which manufacturer it was that dropped the switch on one model and saw sales pl…

I wouldn't say they're pointless but more of a convenience than a necessity in most modern designs. Probably more important in vintage amps with old tubes and such where folks generally want to be more gentle and preserve the life of the tubes. Either way depends on the amp & circuit and you're right in many cases aren't needed.

Re: Circuit building: stop using antique parts (2014)

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There's not much of substance to this article. The world of electronics is a bigger place than turning a load full on or full off with a Mosfet. A couple exercises if you want to see why having some BJT's around is handy: Try to find a Mosfet that turns on at 0.6 Vgs. Compare the leakage Ids leakage of a Mosfet to the Ice leakage of a comparable BJT. I also take issue with the idea that "all that extra stuff" is drawn in the Mosfet symbol for "no reason". The body diode alone is an important factor to consider EVERY time you use a Mosfet. When you read schematics every day, you're trained to recognize when diodes will forward conduct in your circuit and having that drawn in the Mosfet symbol helps you immediately see problems that would otherwise make it into your final circuit.

Re: Circuit building: stop using antique parts (2014)

#48
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still resisting the AxeFx but being short on space and a growing stack of rack gear waiting to get fixed might push me over the edge soon :-] There's a pretty classic book called Electronic Projects for Musicians that might be of interest: https://msu.edu/~dougl126/Electronic%20Projects%20for%20Musi...

Sold all my heads, pedals, cabs. Have just the Axe and a FRFR wedge now. Best decision I ever made.

folks are digging the kemper profiler too. Can't argue with the results but i guess im still addicted to analog.

Re: Circuit building: stop using antique parts (2014)

#49
post #31

I build a lot of guitar effects, and that community is even worse when it comes to attachement to obsolete components. The discontinuation of J201 JFETs (in TO-92 through hole package at least) by Fairchild has caused a lot of upset. My perspective, not widely shared, is that JFETs in general have been made obsolete by depletion-mode MOSFETs, at least in audio circuits. Part of the reason, I think, is that a lot of "…

> My perspective, not widely shared, is that JFETs in general have been made obsolete by depletion-mode MOSFETs, at least in audio circuits. A guitarist friend decided to "test" me once and put this in front of me and ask what it would sound like: http://el34world.com/charts/Schematics/files/randall/Randall... My immediate response was: "That looks like a really great amp from the mid 1980's--looks like it was design…

There definitely are people who want that buzzsaw sound. The Boss HM-2 pedal "chainsaw" sound is also having a moment right now. I'm not really into either, but I do like really saturated high gain sounds with a lot of compression.

Re: Circuit building: stop using antique parts (2014)

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I build a lot of guitar effects, and that community is even worse when it comes to attachement to obsolete components. The discontinuation of J201 JFETs (in TO-92 through hole package at least) by Fairchild has caused a lot of upset. My perspective, not widely shared, is that JFETs in general have been made obsolete by depletion-mode MOSFETs, at least in audio circuits. Part of the reason, I think, is that a lot of "…

Guitar d00ds having obscure, nonsensical reasons for things because "mah tones!"? Say it ain't so. I mean, nearly every tube head on the market has an essentially pointless standby/bypass switch because of the mistaken belief that you need to warm up your tubes for some arbitrary amount of time in a modern amp and keep them warm. I forget which manufacturer it was that dropped the switch on one model and saw sales pl…

I never include a standby switch if I build a tube head from scratch, but when I build out of a "donor amp"* that has one I keep it, because it's at least useful as a mute switch.

*Using a cheap tube amp from CL as the basis for a new build and tossing everything except the chassis and transformers, and maybe the sockets if they are chassis mounted, is a great way to build a great sounding tube amp on the cheap.

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